That's not what I get out of it, not at all. This gentlemen is asking for an optic for serious business, but wanting to only spend recreational hobby money. It's hard for people in good conscience to suggest something that is less then ideal to fill the task. Not everyone can afford on a whim to put out a $1,000 + on an optic, granted. However what i'm and others are suggesting is save - it's not like he NEEDS the sight tomorrow, or in the near future for that matter.
Help me find a scope for my SHTF rifle
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That's not what I get out of it, not at all. This gentlemen is asking for an optic for serious business, but wanting to only spend recreational hobby money. It's hard for people in good conscience to suggest something that is less then ideal to fill the task. Not everyone can afford on a whim to put out a $1,000 + on an optic, granted. However what i'm and others are suggesting is save - it's not like he NEEDS the sight tomorrow, or in the near future for that matter.
One thing people don't really think about, that is exactly what your car or truck is essentially. Its a metal box. Your electronics in your scope are essentially the same thing. I would be more worried about any electronics plugged into the wall socket, I believe an EMP or solar flare induced EMF would create surges in the grid and knock out home electronics and then the main transformers (power grid).
I hear folks that think the computer in their vehicle will get damaged and then they will have to go find replacements at the parts store, I think that electronics on the shelf in a parts store would be less protected then the components in your vehicle.
If it's a SHTF thing though, go with the fiber optic trijicon scope. BTW, that Tavor looks Great, I want one.
Please read my first post again (I have started a new thread)
I did said that I have drooped the budget limit (first paragraph)
I am open to all optic suggestions!
Also,
- Ugly as all hell? I actually think that it's look nice, especially on the Tavor! I will try to find you a pic...
- how dose the Specter DR powered?
Thanks.
I'm using Vortex Sparc on my Tavor. So far its doing fine, nothing too special, but it works. It dose come with a 2.5x magnifier, but its cheese ball. You could always add a 3x magnifier with a swing mount.
This is only temporary, I'm in the same boat as you. But I've already kind of made up my mind on what optic I'll be getting to replace the Sparc. It'll either be a ACOG or a Elcan, and a set of irons that mount on a 45 degree angle, (if it'll work).
Not so sure about the SHTF or the EMP, that stuff is a little out there for me. What you really need to be worried about are aliens. The proof is right in front of you. If you look at all the books on history, there's nothing saying that aliens weren't there. So what you should be worried about is can your rifle shoot into space? That's why I got my tavor, the guy at the gun shop said its the only carbine that can shoot into space. And when he showed it to me I knew he was telling the truth.
Seriously though, if SHTF is your concern, then get the best optic you can. Trijicon, Elcan, Aimpoint, EOtech. And I think 500m is a bit optimistic for the Tavor, never mind the caliber. 300m is more realistic, and if all you want is to hit a man size target at that distance you don't really need magnification, a dot sight will do.
This is only temporary, I'm in the same boat as you. But I've already kind of made up my mind on what optic I'll be getting to replace the Sparc. It'll either be a ACOG or a Elcan, and a set of irons that mount on a 45 degree angle, (if it'll work).
Not so sure about the SHTF or the EMP, that stuff is a little out there for me. What you really need to be worried about are aliens. The proof is right in front of you. If you look at all the books on history, there's nothing saying that aliens weren't there. So what you should be worried about is can your rifle shoot into space? That's why I got my tavor, the guy at the gun shop said its the only carbine that can shoot into space. And when he showed it to me I knew he was telling the truth.
Seriously though, if SHTF is your concern, then get the best optic you can. Trijicon, Elcan, Aimpoint, EOtech. And I think 500m is a bit optimistic for the Tavor, never mind the caliber. 300m is more realistic, and if all you want is to hit a man size target at that distance you don't really need magnification, a dot sight will do.
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As a former soldier in the Israeli Army, 500m for a Tavor is not "optimistic", you just need to have a proper ammo.
But you right that 300m is more realistic to shot a man size target, that is why I am looking at 1-4 scopes and nothing more.
About the aliens, you have wonderful sense of humor, made my evening - thanks for the laugh
What can I say, I still have the mind of a soldier...
All I really want is simple variable "self sustained" scope/Red Dot, no dependents what so ever.
- is that too much to ask!? I guesses so! lol
For now all the 1-4 scopes look like they will do! (can work without batteries)
and the AccuPoint 1-4x24 is the only one that will also fully work in ANY event.
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As a former soldier in the Israeli Army, 500m for a Tavor is not "optimistic", you just need to have a proper ammo.
But you right that 300m is more realistic to shot a man size target, that is why I am looking at 1-4 scopes and nothing more.
About the aliens, you have wonderful sense of humor, made my evening - thanks for the laugh
What can I say, I still have the mind of a soldier...
All I really want is simple variable "self sustained" scope/Red Dot, no dependents what so ever.
- is that too much to ask!? I guesses so! lol
For now all the 1-4 scopes look like they will do! (can work without batteries)
and the AccuPoint 1-4x24 is the only one that will also fully work in ANY event.
Trijicon accupoint is pretty much built for you then. No batteries fibre optic, optional colours is green and red.
mildcustom2
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I love it when people talk as if they are going into combat with there civilian owned firearms. Honestly makes me laugh pretty hard.
I taking a hard look at Meprolight Optics for a Tavor.
I never said I was going into combat. OP asked for a SHTF optic and I'm sure with your expensive tastes you'd agree with me. My "SHTF" rifle/coyote smasher is a NR Bushy ACR with an ACOG atop it. Reliable. Easy to strip. And hopefully one day Multi Calibre. One day
mildcustom2
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I just think its funny when the SHTF warrior stuff starts flying. We're firearms owners, in the event something crazy did happen we have one or more options at our disposal. Wether it's a cheapie Grizzly shotgun or a high end combat rifle. I'm always good to go. Anything is better than nothing.
I'm still liking the idea of a Meprolight. I don't need magnification to hit something at 100 yds.
According to my former commander in the IDF (Israel Defense Force), the Meprolight is not that great...
In normal conditions (day or night) the Meprolight is great, BUT...
The Meprolight M21 has a big weakness in low light setting like dusk/dawn or aiming from a well lighted room to a dark area and vise versa.
You cannot adjust the red dot brightness to fit the light level that you need.
There is not enough Tritium or fiber optics in that sight to overcome the light differences.
mildcustom2
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That's why there's a washout kit to correct this for 60$. I'm thinking more along the lines of Meprolight MOR for my application. A black rifle without a laser is pointless.
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Behold:
The W.O.R. (wash out remover) kit!
But, it does use a single tiny battery to pump light into your fiber optic.
I didnt trust it. I had to use ANOTHER 45 degree offset mount ON the side mount to bring it up to a useable location (you can see the mount in the picture) but that side rail is plastic so it has alot of flex in it. Especially with the extra leverage of the additional mount. Its unnecessary IMO. Im saving up for a decent set of off set irons... IMO, thats the best setup. I know there are irons in the rail but I think having the optic up top with offset irons gives you both a best and worst case scenario solution.
onetwentyish
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Except that in the event of a solar sun flare(which if large enough can cause an EMP) it will not work. Great optic, but I find the reticle to be to large to to consistently plink a metal gong past probably 50 yards. Might be my skill too. Haha
Behold:
The W.O.R. (wash out remover) kit!
But, it does use a single tiny battery to pump light into your fiber optic.
skeetgunner
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good enough for any shtf scenario, like a Unity crash or NVIDIA driver incompatibility
*snicker* The shyte has already hit that fan.
Trijicon acog
It's really not that bad for a magnified optic. I found it really easy to aim and shoot even at 20y (with both eyes open). Anyway under 20y it's more point and shoot.....
I'll add a 45degre offset mount with a deltapoint or iron sight.
It's really not that bad for a magnified optic. I found it really easy to aim and shoot even at 20y (with both eyes open). Anyway under 20y it's more point and shoot.....
I'll add a 45degre offset mount with a deltapoint or iron sight.
