T97NSR Barrel flaw Vote

what would you do?

  • return rifle for refund

    Votes: 62 30.0%

  • return for replacement barrel

    Votes: 52 25.1%

  • accept the fact there is a drill hole in the barrel

    Votes: 60 29.0%

  • accept a credit or free something

    Votes: 33 15.9%
  • Total voters
    207
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michaelsabre said:
So let's say I scrached your car....of course it's still drivable, are u fine with that?
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That's not the point. What is that even suppose to be and how is that even remotely close to what we're talking about? The other comment was saying that the gouge on the other side of the gas port could erode away causing issues, which by all logic, the gas port would do the same thing, yet is not a problem.

If I already had an enormous scratch on my car, and you put another smaller scratch inside that scratch? What difference would that make to me?
 
I would have say that since none of these barrel gouges were part of the original rifle design, they are not supposed to be there plain and simple. And the factory has already admitted to poor barrel drilling, NS should be sending out replacement barrels at the very least. Nobody can say definitively that a barrel cannot rupture from the gouge, and that creates a safety issue. Will it be round #100 or 1000? Will it happen at all? Who knows. A recall would alleviate any safety concerns.

There are usually issues with first production runs of firearms of one sort or another, the question will be whether or not NS decides to back their products properly, and as of now that isn't looking so good.
 
Some prospective customers will avoid Norinco/NSR products far into the future based on what they see happening here. If the manufacturer and the distributor wouldn't mention this problem even though it is visible and they knew about it, it makes you wonder what other known flaws are hiding in Norinco / NSR products that have not been honestly disclosed to the consumer.
 
According to some peoples logic in this thread, only high end/top of the line goods should have a warranty e.g. a warranty for a Lexus but not a Toyota. The T97NSR is one of the most expensive firearms Norinco sells to the Canadian market, and I'm pretty sure there is room in it's mark up to take a loss warrantying "a small percentage" of the rifles that are affected.

I knew I wasn't buying a Tavor when I bought a T97 and I was willing to accept some of its short comings (fit/finish and ergos) but didn't expect it to have a known manufacturers defect that wouldn't be warrantied. I feel I paid retail for a scratch & dent item.

Other than this little issue with the barrel I have no problems with the T97 for what it is, I think it's a great rifle. I'm just disappointed with how this was handled.
 
theSHARK said:
According to some peoples logic in this thread, only high end/top of the line goods should have a warranty e.g. a warranty for a Lexus but not a Toyota. The T97NSR is one of the most expensive firearms Norinco sells to the Canadian market, and I'm pretty sure there is room in it's mark up to take a loss warrantying "a small percentage" of the rifles that are affected.

I knew I wasn't buying a Tavor when I bought a T97 and I was willing to accept some of its short comings (fit/finish and ergos) but didn't expect it to have a known manufacturers defect that wouldn't be warrantied. I feel I paid retail for a scratch & dent item.

Other than this little issue with the barrel I have no problems with the T97 for what it is, I think it's a great rifle. I'm just disappointed with how this was handled.
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NS has stated that if this problem causes an issue down the road then they will remedy it and I know that's not as nice as a full replacement, but it is not exactly them telling t97 owners to get stuffed. If I bought a new car and saw a dent in the muffler I probably wouldn't be expecting a new muffler to be installed but I would let the dealership know about it and expect that if my muffler started rotting out at that spot in the future that they should take care of it. Sure I could try to argue that it might affect the car's performance or that it might weaken the galvanized coating but realistically all they would offer me is what NS has offered.
 
Mine have the gouge , never fired , buy from sfrc in pre-order ( they don't refund or exchange ) , imported by North Sylvia ( they don't refund or exchange ) ,

So, i will never pre-order anything, and buy anywhere else, they send me a defect rifle ... i' m caught with it.

I will list it on EE , this a unique limited edition.

And i will go with Canada Ammo for another one without a gouge ,Can Am always make me satisfied , if any problem..
 
The thing that I don't like about this situation is my rifle depreciates because of this no matter what. I guess I will just have to shoot it out :)
 
Gunusr said:
If anyone truly expected to get ANYTHING from China that is AAA quality, just take a good look at everything they make.

Everything made in China is sub par and I'm amazed that this is the worst thing discovered about the T97. I'm sure there's more to come....
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Methinks my iphone is kinda awesome...made in China. ;)


hawk-i said:
Put a cheap used scope on it, and list it on EE for 1250.00 you pay shipping!!!
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I have a cheap $1000 scope already so $250 for the rifle shipped sounds like a better deal to me. ;)
 
driller212 said:
The thing that I don't like about this situation is my rifle depreciates because of this no matter what. I guess I will just have to shoot it out :)
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Laugh2 Norinco resale value? I wouldn't worry about it depreciating.
Norinco is a firearm you buy to keep because there is little to no market for a used one.

Best option for people that got one with one and a half gas ports is to just shoot the hell out of it and avoid NS in the future. Now that you know they don't stand behind their products.
I've owned 3 Norinco's in the past and still own one but I wouldn't expect warranty if I had a problem.

A new barrel is not really an option since it would cost as much as the rifle to build and install one and it's not likely any will be sent over to replace the defective ones especially since it would still cost a couple hundred just to have it installed.
 
theSHARK said:
As a metal worker I am a bit concerned. There is a difference between drilling and gouging metal. With drilling you cut and remove the material. When you gouge or dent metal it is displaced and could make a high spot.
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It concerns me that you're a metal worker and don't understand that the "gouge" is just the gas port being slightly too deep. It is drilled.

In all honesty, some of you guys are beeing little girls about this. It's a Chinese made bullpup that costs half of what a similar American or European made one does. Why would you expect it to have the same level of QC as an Israeli Tavor or an FS2000? The defect doesn't make it unsafe to fire and so far nobody has shown it to impact accuracy or function. Enjoy your Chinese beater bullpup.
 
Calum said:
As long as the feature is consistent then barrel harmonics should be as well. POA off? Adjust sights enjoy.

Methinks folks paid way too much for these rifles anyway...way to much. Would I buy one? Sure but for $200 to $300 not $800 or $1000, that's just crazy high for a Chinese built milsurp.
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I find it hilarious that you think specially produced semi-only T97's should sell for what surplus SKS's and SVT's sell for.
 
Ar180shooter said:
I find it hilarious that you think specially produced semi-only T97's should sell for what surplus SKS's and SVT's sell for.
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why not? Not like there are high labor costs, and the gun is mostly plastic, with some simple aluminum and steel parts. Would be a very cheaply manufactured gun. NS probably paid less then $100 a unit for these.
And making reference to it being half the price of a Tavor would be ok if it was a Nork Tavor clone.....but its not. Maybe they should have cloned a Tavor instead of rushing this flawed POS to market...lol
 
Where's the option for "buy so much Norinco ammo, shoot the hell out of it, and burn the barrel out"? ;)

It's a $1000 rifle, shoot the hell out of it. If the gouge bothers you, shoot the hell out of it faster and burn the barrel out sooner than later. Now you need a replacement barrel, voila problem fixed :p.
 
Hitzy said:
why not? Not like there are high labor costs, and the gun is mostly plastic, with some simple aluminum and steel parts. Would be a very cheaply manufactured gun. NS probably paid less then $100 a unit for these.
And making reference to it being half the price of a Tavor would be ok if it was a Nork Tavor clone.....but its not. Maybe they should have cloned a Tavor instead of rushing this flawed POS to market...lol
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Not sure if troll.

Do you seriously think NS pays $100 per T97?

I swear, people have no concept of what it costs to produce things. The materials are only a minute percentage of the cost. Even though labour is cheap in China, lots of machining time is required. This still costs money. If you tighten up QC, the cost of rejected rifles/parts has to be made up by increasing the price of the final product. The T97 is not only a novel design, but is manufactured specifically for the Canadian market.

This is also the first run of a product. Issues should be expeced.
 
And this is why I never buy rifles when they first come out, even when its supposedly a proven platform.
 
Ar180shooter said:
It concerns me that you're a metal worker and don't understand that the "gouge" is just the gas port being slightly too deep. It is drilled.

In all honesty, some of you guys are beeing little girls about this. It's a Chinese made bullpup that costs half of what a similar American or European made one does. Why would you expect it to have the same level of QC as an Israeli Tavor or an FS2000? The defect doesn't make it unsafe to fire and so far nobody has shown it to impact accuracy or function. Enjoy your Chinese beater bullpup.
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I guess you didn't read or comprehend the statement from the manufacture stating that the damage was caused when they broke drill bits off in the gas port and had to press them out creating a "slight impression" in the rifling.
 
theSHARK said:
I guess you didn't read or comprehend the statement from the manufacture stating that the damage was caused when they broke drill bits off in the gas port and had to press them out creating a "slight impression" in the rifling.
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The broke a drill bit on every singel rifle ? yeah right.
 
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