Military reloading
- Thread starter mike Crawford
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I am a sniper too. I use a special order 1894 Winchester in .32 Special. Although I mostly only fire warning shots......
Now that is hilarious, hate to say it but buddy is a big time BS'er, enjoy or laugh at the stories but don't believe anything he says.
Bwahahaha!!
I'll have you know that I use my 30-06 22lb tripod mounted bolt action full auto lever rifle with a detachable belt clip magazine to qualify for master sniper matches by punching 1" groups at 1000 yards every wednesday.
LMFAO!
Sherlock Gnomes
CGN frequent flyer
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- St.Catharines
I think the black helicopters are over your house now Mike... Don't move suddenly.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
A little while back, our boys did some maneuvers outside Summerland BC. HOLY CRAP that is impressive. From a far, I got to see the bad guys jump the good guys, ak's, wonky bandanas and all. When you are going home from hunting and a bunch of "guys" jump out of the bush with AK's and wonky dress ups, you hit the brakes pretty DAMN fast.
Luckily there was a flagperson close enough to keep me from loosing my marbles.
When they were done, NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING showed they were there. I think they shifted the dirt for dirt.
I have never served but it was very comforting to see what our boys can and will do - play or otherwise. They be good......
So, if someone is beaking off about their role in some elite group. Odds are they aren't. I have had the pleasure of meeting and shooting with a few - they just don't say much of anything about anything.
True pros....and humble
Jerry
I have been thinking this exact thought for a while but was unsure whether I wanted to unleash it on the cgn world.
"...was told that the powder he uses is different..." Somebody is making stuff up. There's no such thng as "military" powder, for one. And nobody in the CF loads for the issue rifles they use. There are no CF weapons chambered in .30-06 either. And anybody who tells you they get 1" groups at 1,000 yards is lying. Plus IR is a night time thing only. It's BS.
This story may have lost something in translation. Some elements are correct and some could be correct.
the shooter might be a CF sniper.
He might have his own rifle that he loads for, for his own shooting.
He might be using "military" powders (they exist) and military primers. (Although I can't see why he would use military primers.)
Both Expro (maker if IMR) and Olin (maker of Winchester powders) make a full range of powders sold to the military that are not sold for other purposes. I have a drum on one of them here and have forgotten what it is for. I hope it is a 308 type powder.
Why would a shooter (sniper) have "military" powders? One reason is that powder companies give powders to people they think have influence on the decisions about what powders should be used in military ammo.
I have a quantity of military powder that Expro made with molly as a coating, in addition to graphite. The hope was that the moly might have an effect on reducing fouling and barrel wear. I, in turn, supplied it to to a well known American rifle shooter who was also one of the key buyers for American military ammo. Think of it as a form of promotional activity.
Military powders have slightly different specs than the average power we use. They are very concerned with muzzle flash, for example, or smoke signatures, whereas we sport shooters are less fussy.
The story, as presented, does not sound right, but it has elements that could be true and it might just be a poorly told story. One inch at 1000 yards might have started as one minute at 1000 yards, for example.
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- kingston Ontario
The 30-06 that he had here was his own personal rifle .. But they still insist that it had infa red in the scope .
He sold that gun to another guy now and again I was told he took the infa red out of the scope before he sold it .
So if this is true he had a personal hunting rifle with nite vision ..
I am sure he must be a sniper .. Because from day one his daughter that is friends with my daughter said her father was a sniper .
The guys that buy shells off him say he is a sniper . And they hold true to the fact he uses Military powder and primers
He told me he was a sniper also .
I have little knowledge about handloading but I would think different calibers and different weights of bullets would require a different powder ; for each to ""GET BEST RESULTS "" .. So if in fact this guy is using Military powder and primers then I would think you would be limiting your options to one powder.
And just one more question >>> Is there any bullets than a sniper could buy or have access too that a civilian could not buy or even be in procession of . We will say a sniper could buy Berger bullets( just an example) but a civilian could not buy them
He sold that gun to another guy now and again I was told he took the infa red out of the scope before he sold it .
So if this is true he had a personal hunting rifle with nite vision ..
I am sure he must be a sniper .. Because from day one his daughter that is friends with my daughter said her father was a sniper .
The guys that buy shells off him say he is a sniper . And they hold true to the fact he uses Military powder and primers
He told me he was a sniper also .
I have little knowledge about handloading but I would think different calibers and different weights of bullets would require a different powder ; for each to ""GET BEST RESULTS "" .. So if in fact this guy is using Military powder and primers then I would think you would be limiting your options to one powder.
And just one more question >>> Is there any bullets than a sniper could buy or have access too that a civilian could not buy or even be in procession of . We will say a sniper could buy Berger bullets( just an example) but a civilian could not buy them
If there are bullets that only snipers could have we wouldn't know unless we are snipers too, I doubt it though. Lapua will sell you the bullets used in the miltary's 338 Lapua rifle, most sniper loads use civilian match bullets, sometimes just modified by adding a cannelure. The thing to remember that a sniper off duty is just a civilian when it comes to gun laws, that military job title does not give him any special rights.
The guy could have put the rifle together himself, and maybe he is blurring the liens between what is "issued" and what "he put together". I recall a sign that was posted along side the highway in BC.. way high in a tree. It was advertising "Russian night vision".. the guy could have got hold of something like that.
NV to hunt with? sounds like poaching to me.
NV to hunt with? sounds like poaching to me.
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A person does not necessarily have to be in any way part of the military in order to buy or have an "infra red" or thermal optic. You just need lots of money. The part about him taking out the infra red makes me kind of suspicious. I've never heard of an optic where a person can add and remove thermal capabilities, though it is a possibility that he could have been using a thermal optic in conjunction with another scope or magnifier.
As was mentioned earlier, a person does not need to be part of the military to use "military" or "millspec" powder or primers. I use IMR 4064 to load .308 winchester, this powder used to be used in some military loads. Most powders have viable loads for a range of calibers and bullet weights. I personally picked IMR 4064 because I can use it for both .223 Remington with 55 grain bullets and .308 Winchester with 175 grain bullets. However, not all powders are made equal, so not all have the same flexibility.
As for snipers having access to bullets that civilians do not, yes they do. However these bullets, be they Armour Piercing or Incendiary, or whatever else, are supplied by the military and are very tightly controlled. There are people whose job it is to count and track this type of ammo. Even military spent brass casings are controlled, and must be destroyed after use, they are not allowed into unauthorized hands. It is not exactly the kind of thing where a person could grab an ammo can and walk off base to do some plinking. Or I suppose I should say that they are not allowed to do so, and will face very heavy punishments if they are caught doing so.
It's entirely possible that your friend is actually part of the military, and it's not impossible that he could have "acquired" some military hardware, but it's almost guaranteed that somewhere along the lines multiple laws were broken.
It's not impossible for such controlled ammo to find it's way into civilian hands, just a few months ago someone at the Shooting Edge I think got a crate of surplus Chinese ammo. It turns out that some of the ammo was API(Armour Piercing Incendiary), and was sent with the shipment by mistake.
As far as I am aware, the only normal military members who are allowed to keep their rifles at home, or hunt with them, are the Canadian Rangers, who are very, very different from the American Army Rangers. They have Enfield rifles, in .303 British.
If you can, ask your friend what unit he's part of, where he trained.
A person does not necessarily have to be in any way part of the military in order to buy or have an "infra red" or thermal optic. You just need lots of money. The part about him taking out the infra red makes me kind of suspicious. I've never heard of an optic where a person can add and remove thermal capabilities, though it is a possibility that he could have been using a thermal optic in conjunction with another scope or magnifier.
As was mentioned earlier, a person does not need to be part of the military to use "military" or "millspec" powder or primers. I use IMR 4064 to load .308 winchester, this powder used to be used in some military loads. Most powders have viable loads for a range of calibers and bullet weights. I personally picked IMR 4064 because I can use it for both .223 Remington with 55 grain bullets and .308 Winchester with 175 grain bullets. However, not all powders are made equal, so not all have the same flexibility.
As for snipers having access to bullets that civilians do not, yes they do. However these bullets, be they Armour Piercing or Incendiary, or whatever else, are supplied by the military and are very tightly controlled. There are people whose job it is to count and track this type of ammo. Even military spent brass casings are controlled, and must be destroyed after use, they are not allowed into unauthorized hands. It is not exactly the kind of thing where a person could grab an ammo can and walk off base to do some plinking. Or I suppose I should say that they are not allowed to do so, and will face very heavy punishments if they are caught doing so.
It's entirely possible that your friend is actually part of the military, and it's not impossible that he could have "acquired" some military hardware, but it's almost guaranteed that somewhere along the lines multiple laws were broken.
It's not impossible for such controlled ammo to find it's way into civilian hands, just a few months ago someone at the Shooting Edge I think got a crate of surplus Chinese ammo. It turns out that some of the ammo was API(Armour Piercing Incendiary), and was sent with the shipment by mistake.
As far as I am aware, the only normal military members who are allowed to keep their rifles at home, or hunt with them, are the Canadian Rangers, who are very, very different from the American Army Rangers. They have Enfield rifles, in .303 British.
If you can, ask your friend what unit he's part of, where he trained.
