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Can someone please tell me why so many people are jumping on this ffp bus? At 500 yrds my retical covered my 5" gong. Sold that scope and will never look back.

For ranging in the military, I get it. but out in the bush..? what size is that rock,ridge, tree.


pointless for ranging I think, Only gets you a close guess which could be a miss at distance. Laser rangefinder and SFP for me .
 
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Sounds like you just need a finer reticle.

If your scope is variable magnification it should also be FFP or any subtensions on your reticle will become useless at any magnification other than they one they're calibrated for.
 
Paladin308 said:
Sounds like you just need a finer reticle.

If your scope is variable magnification it should also be FFP or any subtensions on your reticle will become useless at any magnification other than they one they're calibrated for.
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Or it allows you to change your magnification to calibrate to individual loads.
 
Can someone please tell me why so many fools are jumping on this ffp bus? At 500 yrds my retical covered my 5" gong. Sold that scope and will never look back
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that certainly can happen when you turn the power up on a FFP variable power scope for sure - particularly if the reticle is a substantial size (eg picket) at a lower power. The major advantage to FFP is that adjusting the power on a variable does not affect the position of the reticle ... with second plane reticles the reticles are usually contained in the same cell as the power adjusting elements and as they are moved relative in the tube ... the reticle is subject to movement ... folks will tell you that this isn't so on "good" second plane variable scopes ... unfortunately for there to be sufficient clearance to enable a magnification shift in all temperatures etc .. it will happen ... although for many people this turns out to be fairly minute.
 
Paladin308 said:
It would be easier to just calculate your offset from your standard load's zero and add it when you dial in your adjustments. That way you don't end up screwing up your holdovers.
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Easier than the computer telling you what magnification to set your scope at for your particular load and utilizing a yardage indicated reticle.....I don't think so.
 
The reality for me and my FFP scope is awesome. I know the approx size of my quarry, I can "measure" the height of my quarry and check my pre made range cards and get the approx distance to that animal. Not as precise as a laser range finder, but it works with in the maximum point blank range of my rifle, and if the distance is farther, I dial the correction on my turret. Plus, the reticle thickness on my scope is only 0.2 MOA so it covers very little at distance.
 
Approximate distance is not a phrase that should be used when taking shots, at least at animals, beyond your point blank range IMHO......We have the tools available to do it precisely and ensure a clean kill....not an approximate one. FFP scopes with mildots were an okay rudimentary rangefinder in the days prior to laser rangefinders...but they certainly don't offer the precise ranging ability required for consistent placement at long ranges....at least not in all but the most highly trained sniper's hands.
 
So Crashman your scope at max magnification, covers only 2" at 1000yds? What scope is that if I may ask? All the ones ive looked thru cover approx 10" at 1000yds.
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the vortex pst in FFP subtension is .21 moa or about 2" @ 1000y, not sure what you are looking at but if I where yo I'd do more research .

if you need a list of FFP scope manufacturers there's sightron, vortex, USO for entry level then S&B, premier, march, to name a few.

so you know the main reason for FFP is rapid hold over's and leads at any magnification without having to do range math like with sfp.

I will NEVER buy another SFP with a hash mark type reticule scope again, FFP is that MUCH BETTER.
 
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caustic said:
the vortex pst in FFP subtension is .21 moa or about 2" @ 1000y, not sure what you are looking at but if I where yo I'd do more research .

if you need a list of FFP scope manufacturers there's sightron, vortex, USO for entry level then S&B, premier, march, to name a few.

so you know the main reason for FFP is rapid hold over's at any magnification without having to do range math like with sfp.

I will NEVER buy another SFP with a hash mark type reticule scope again, FFP is that MUCH BETTER.
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Math is not required if you know the proper magnification for your load. It's as simple as placing the 500 yard crosshair on a 500 yard target and squeezing the trigger.
 
sheephunter said:
Math is not required if you know the proper magnification for your load. It's as simple as placing the 500 yard crosshair on a 500 yard target and squeezing the trigger.
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I have no idea what you mean by proper mag for your load .

sounds to me like you do not know how ffp and a moa or mil based reticule work .

for real world you may not have your scope set to the correct magnification usually max setting in a sfp scope for a 1:1 in the reticule and this adds math and that adds time and that may be a missed opportunity.

ffp the reticule is 1:1 all the time and thus you just hold to your D.O.P.E for the days conditions and send it down range.

sfp is great for square range users shooting at a slow rate of fire like bench rest etc...
 
I'm well aware of how a ffp and sfp scope work...I'm not certain you are overly familiar with the sfp scope by your comments. I'm talking about using the proper magnification on sfp scope for your individual load. Placing the 500 yard crosshair on the 500 yard target is hardly what I'd consider slow. Having your magnification set at them proper level really isn't that much to remember......definitely no math required.
 
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I'm well aware of how a ffp and sfp scope work...I'm not certain you are overly familiar with the sfp scope by your comments. I'm talking about using the proper magnification on sfp scope for your individual load. Placing the 500 yard crosshair on the 500 yard target is hardly what I'd consider slow. Having your magnification set at them proper level really isn't that much to remember......definitely no math required.
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not to be rude but , I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.

I will ask you though to do MORE research in to FFP scopes moa and mil base reticules and their use,as buy your comments I know you need to.

good day.
 
caustic said:
not to be rude but , I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.

I will ask you though to do MORE research in to FFP scopes moa and mil base reticules and their use,as buy your comments I know you need to.

good day.
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Considering the only comment I made about ffp scopes is that they are an okay rudimentary rangefinder, I'm not sure how you can assess my knowledge of ffp scopes. My comments have all been in regards to your seeming lack of understanding of sfp scopes. Not really much to disagree on unless you are disagreeing with the law of physics. I appreciate that you like your ffp scope and there are lots of reasons to but your comments regarding how sfp scopes work are way off base.
 
sheephunter said:
Approximate distance is not a phrase that should be used when taking shots, at least at animals, beyond your point blank range IMHO......We have the tools available to do it precisely and ensure a clean kill....not an approximate one. FFP scopes with mildots were an okay rudimentary rangefinder in the days prior to laser rangefinders...but they certainly don't offer the precise ranging ability required for consistent placement at long ranges....at least not in all but the most highly trained sniper's hands.
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I couldn't agree more. But please notice that I said approximate distance with in the maximum point blank range of my rifle, anything beyond that I hit the laser range finder. With in my MPBR, as long as I aim in the centre of the vitals, my bullet will hit + or - with in that kill zone based on the animal and it's vital area size.
 
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