Norinco paying royalties

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BTW guys, the Chinese are shafting and undercutting us; but make no mistake, they are not breaking the laws of international trade to do so.
Ivor
 
Patents ran out years ago dude ....

Royalties are not paid simply due to a patent. If the factory that's manufacturing an item is using equipment that another company owns, or has put into the contract that they are to receive compensation for each unit built on that machinery, a royalty is paid. It simply becomes a licensed product, weather advertised as such or not.
Ivor
 
Or how about those crafty Russians, reverse engineering and copying everything from the Smith & Wesson number 3 to the B-29 with nary more than a thumb to the nose towards the patent holders - lol
 
Tooling is expensive; if someone offers you tooling at a dirt cheap price, then expects a very small return off of every item produced............
Ivor
 
Then theirs the tinfoil suspicion that our honest gun companies are over there raking in boatloads of money.......Lol
Ivor
 
BTW guys, the Chinese are shafting and undercutting us; but make no mistake, they are not breaking the laws of international trade to do so.
Ivor

No, just human rights laws, labor laws, copyright and trade laws as well. They sell ####ty copies of EVERYTHING....current or expired. Clones of Aimpoint, Eotech, Leopold....just to name a few, right down to the markings can be found online, shipped to your door from China.
 
Still not seeing anything that relates to Norinco paying royalties to anyone for their guns.
 
Patents have a certain lifespan and do expire. Once it expires you can make the product without paying any royalties. Copyright is different and can be renewed.

You think theres a coincidence there are hundreds of companies making the 1911 in US or the AR-15 variants? Notice they dont call them AR-15, as that name is Copyrighted to Colt i believe, but the actual original Armalite M16 patent has expired.

So no, Norinco aint paying #### to anyone for manufacturing 1911s, and even if the patent WAS valid, they would still make them, they just wouldnt be able to sell them here, IF, the original Patent holder took them to court and the Canadian courts sided with the patent holder.

ar-15 is armalite... nvm sold to colt
 
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Still not seeing anything that relates to Norinco paying royalties to anyone for their guns.
It's my job as devils advocate to provide juice to keep the rumor going; good ol' Mr Can Am is the only one to provide some proof otherwise......he might be in a better position then all of us to dispel it though :p
Ivor
 
Here's an interesting tidbit from Wikipedia, although it has no source whatsoever.
As of 2013, the pistol is made under license instead of copying with Colt manufacturing machinery, due to an agreement between Norinco and Colt in order to stop Norinco from producing the Norinco CQ rifle. Importation into the United States was blocked by trade rules in 1993 but Norinco still manage to import the weapon into Canada and successfully adopted by IPSC shooters, gunsmiths and firearms enthusiasts there because of the cheaper price of the pistol than the other M1911s.

So looks as if it was either a bribe or blackmail, depending on how you look at it. Colt didn't want Norinco to produce the AR-15-type rifle and undercut them so they gave them old 1911 machinery to produce the 1911 on.

Here's where it gets interesting: in the US, pump-action Norinco 18" 870-clone shotguns are being imported under the name Interstate Hawk and apparently owned by the same parent company that owns Remington itself. Why would a company license a product that's ripping off its more expensive product? :confused:

Many of the guns Norinco makes are not under patent protection it seems, including the M14, 1911, apparently 870, etc. But coming from a country with little regard for patents or intellectual property, I don't think it'd make a lick of difference if they were infringing on patents left and right.

It seems that Norinco has improved on their quality and certain guns including their 870 clones have high praise. Still, there's something unsettling about supporting companies who have no problem stealing the designs of others.
 
That's a little interesting, isn't it?
Ivor
Note: not that Wikipedia is 100% accurate though.
 
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