2014 ORA Winter Training Series

Bob Raymond said:
Course is full for this year. See the folks that registered in January.
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Cool! Couple of notes for the next group of (victims?) winter course attendees:

  • Coffee, tea, and Timbits are complementary. Lunch is provided.
  • The range, while indoor and heated, can be cold at times in the winter months. Fall/winter attire is appropriate.
  • All of the live fire shooting exercises will be done prone off mats that are occasionally dirtier than the floor, dress comfortably, in something that can get dirty.
  • Its an indoor range, and the gal in the port next to you will be shooting her Sako TRG chambered in .338 DamnThatsLoud, with a muzzle break.....ear plugs under muffs are strongly recommended.
  • I have a grab bag of extra Harris type bi-pods, rests, rear/front bags, staplers, eyes/ears, spotting scope etc. First come first serve if you need to borrow something for the live fire exercises portion of the course. No reservations.
  • Bring more than enough ammunition to zero your rifle and complete the course of fire.
  • Every course of fire starts with a zeroing exercise
  • Our range has a restriction on steel core projectiles. Steel case, steel jacket are fine, but all projectiles must be lead core. Hunting-grade ammo is fine. No velocity or calibre restrictions, but leave the .50BMG at home.
  • When shooting prone, scope adjustments can be difficult to see, you'll be in the shadow of the shooting bench. Bring a small flash light.
  • Cloths dryers eat socks, shooting ranges eat writing implements....bring more than a few pens, markers and pencils.
  • It always snows for the February course....this is Bob's fault, he brings the snow with him. If we have to cancel, we'll get the word out as soon as possible.

If there are any range specific questions, drop me a PM or post them here.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January!
 
You forgot the most important part to bring, an open mind.

skeetgunner said:
Cool! Couple of notes for the next group of (victims?) winter course attendees:

  • Coffee, tea, and Timbits are complementary. Lunch is provided.
  • The range, while indoor and heated, can be cold at times in the winter months. Fall/winter attire is appropriate.
  • All of the live fire shooting exercises will be done prone off mats that are occasionally dirtier than the floor, dress comfortably, in something that can get dirty.
  • Its an indoor range, and the gal in the port next to you will be shooting her Sako TRG chambered in .338 DamnThatsLoud, with a muzzle break.....ear plugs under muffs are strongly recommended.
  • I have a grab bag of extra Harris type bi-pods, rests, rear/front bags, staplers, eyes/ears, spotting scope etc. First come first serve if you need to borrow something for the live fire exercises portion of the course. No reservations.
  • Bring more than enough ammunition to zero your rifle and complete the course of fire.
  • Every course of fire starts with a zeroing exercise
  • Our range has a restriction on steel core projectiles. Steel case, steel jacket are fine, but all projectiles must be lead core. Hunting-grade ammo is fine. No velocity or calibre restrictions, but leave the .50BMG at home.
  • When shooting prone, scope adjustments can be difficult to see, you'll be in the shadow of the shooting bench. Bring a small flash light.
  • Cloths dryers eat socks, shooting ranges eat writing implements....bring more than a few pens, markers and pencils.
  • It always snows for the February course....this is Bob's fault, he brings the snow with him. If we have to cancel, we'll get the word out as soon as possible.

If there are any range specific questions, drop me a PM or post them here.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January!
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OK for the folks who have registered and received a confirmation e-mail, we are a go for Jan 11, 2014. Class starts promptly at 0830, please be on time.
 
Mr Raymond sir, am I good to go packing 60 rounds for Saturday, or should I bring more?

edit: nevermind, I am a dingus, forgot to read the first page of the thread again.
 
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blsonne said:
Mr Raymond sir, am I good to go packing 60 rounds for Saturday, or should I bring more?
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Unless you are swimming, you can never have enough ammo or grenades. :p

Seriously, 60 rounds should be plenty, but more is always better. Occasionally we run into a shooter that needs more than a few rounds to zero their rifle or debug a new scope/mount/rifle combo. Adjust accordingly.

Weather looks promising, +8 degC and light rain, so the range should be "heavy sweater" comfortable. Unless Bob brings the snow with him.....
 
Wow, that was a fantastic day! Thank you very much to all, sorry about the loudener :) Absolutely right about those bipods wiggling off, I know what's next on the list of purchases.

edit: Hmm, seems everywhere I look for those PodLocs, they're out of stock.
 
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Agreed. It was a blast today and already did a lot to help me sort out some of my marksmanship quirks. Can't wait for the next time. My thanks go out to everyone who put in the time/effort/goodwill to make this happen!
 
blsonne said:
Wow, that was a fantastic day! Thank you very much to all, sorry about the loudener :) Absolutely right about those bipods wiggling off, I know what's next on the list of purchases.
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No worries, glad you had a great day! The loudener wasn't too bad, and the weather (although rainy out side) was good on the range. Lets hope Bob doesn't bring the snow with him next time! :p

Sherlock Gnomes said:
Thanks again for the class. Excellent instructors and I appreciate Range Burlington for the available space.Looking forward to the next installment.
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The next class is wind and plotting.....sleep well...you're going to need your rest! The next course is pure evil, so remember the homework Bob gave you! The quiz counts..... :evil:

TRaTSeRiF said:
Agreed. It was a blast today and already did a lot to help me sort out some of my marksmanship quirks. Can't wait for the next time. My thanks go out to everyone who put in the time/effort/goodwill to make this happen!
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Big thanks to Bob, Ken and Marcel, they made it a very fun day! Bob teaches a great course, and its a privilege to be able to help out and meet all the new ORA shooters.

That said, bring a spare brain for the next lesson, Bob and I are going to fill it!
 
Skeetgunner, with regards to that 'walking the box' test, I've re-read my scope manual and have some questions - I'm a bit confused. So here come the newb questions!

You were calling out for us to +/- 8 minutes at a time. I was operating under the assumption that my scope dials were graduated (right word? graded?) in MOA, but the manual says "each click represents .1 mil" - and I'm working on banishing thinking in clicks from my mind. In any case, I don't know what the heck kind of math I was doing but now I know and am doubly sure I was off because <sigh> my box was a lot bigger then everyone else's, though at at least it was pretty consistent.

Is this what is referred to as a mil/mil setup? What kind of math should I be learning to do in my head? It's a (mildot) FFP so that should simplify matters I would expect. I'm still used to zeroing by measuring the distance between shots in inches and then doing the conversion to MOA on my end and dialing it in. This difference explains that horrendously sloppy zeroing experience. Thanks again! :)
 
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blsonne said:
Skeetgunner, with regards to that 'walking the box' test, I've re-read my scope manual and have some questions - I'm a bit confused. So here come the newb questions!

You were calling out for us to +/- 8 minutes at a time. I was operating under the assumption that my scope dials were graduated (right word? graded?) in MOA, but the manual says "each click represents .1 mil" - and I'm working on banishing thinking in clicks from my mind. In any case, I don't know what the heck kind of math I was doing but now I know and am doubly sure I was off because <sigh> my box was a lot bigger then everyone else's, though at at least it was pretty consistent.

Is this what is referred to as a mil/mil setup? What kind of math should I be learning to do in my head? It's a (mildot) FFP so that should simplify matters I would expect. I'm still used to zeroing by measuring the distance between shots in inches and then doing the conversion to MOA on my end and dialing it in. This difference explains that horrendously sloppy zeroing experience. Thanks again! :)
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If your scope is MIL/MIL then you are 3.60 inches at 100 vs 1 MOA equalling 1.04 inches at 100.
 
Agreed with all the comments here around day 1 of this course. Absolutely awesome day and for the first time in a lot of years I was able to figure out how to shoot with both eyes open! May sound like a small thing but I've struggled with that for years and finally got it yesterday with Bob and Mike's guidance.

Day one was seriously awesome!
 
Devlin said:
Agreed with all the comments here around day 1 of this course. Absolutely awesome day and for the first time in a lot of years I was able to figure out how to shoot with both eyes open! May sound like a small thing but I've struggled with that for years and finally got it yesterday with Bob and Mike's guidance.

Day one was seriously awesome!
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This was also the first time out for me shooting precision with both eyes open... Eased myself into it - started with reflex sights for snap shots and IPSC rifle, still working on getting used to it with a handgun I got into IPSC, so it was less of an adjustment for me.
 
Hi Bob,

During the course you mentioned the 'drop test' for confirming a safe trigger setting. I remember you said three consecutive drops onto the butt. Do you know at what height the drops should be made?

Thanks!
 
Hi Sherlock,
And no doubt it was safe after that! I am looking for the 'official' method used by DCRA as they don't specify a minimum trigger pull for F-Class competition, just that the trigger pull be 'safe' as determined by a drop test. A few inches and mine is OK, but it does go off at about 4-5 inches drop. Right now the pull is set at 12 ounces.
Cheers, Ian.
 
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