Inheriting Prohibited Handguns...need help on possible barrel changes.

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Hello, I an new to the forum.

My father passed away and left a collection of firearm. 7 of them prohibited with barrels length less than 105 mm.
The firearms were stored in the family safe for the last 30 years and basically was basically maintained. I do not have a grandfather clause . Currently applying to get a restricted license and the RCMP indicated they will wait till the application is process. I am legally the liquidator of estate.

A deringer Rohm
Smith & Wesson Model 10-8
Smith and Wesson Model 28-2
Walther PPK 32 ACP made in Germany
Browning 1910 32 ACP
Barreta 950 Jetfire
Iver Johnson TP22

The questions are as follow

1) The Deringer is likely going to be deactivated...not much i cant think off to make it restricted ?

2) Is there a Canadian Supplier for Smith and Wesson parts... possible change to longer barrel for he Mode 10 and Model 28. The model 10 is 104 mm long barrel. Can i buy barrel from the US. Any one with experience ?

3) The walther PPK is a beautiful piece and i am interested in changing the barrel. EPPS mentioned they can install a .308 and i would need a wildcat. The question is there another alternative for the PPK. The serial number puts it in the early 1960 and not a ww11 version .

4)The browning 1910 serial is in the 500### range. Im not sure if its prewar and to keep it i would need to change the barrel. Interesting firearms with historical significance. Under NRA Canadian website, they indicated, a 1922 browning barrel 38 caliber would fit. Having a hard time finding a barrel. Any ideas ? Any gunsmith that can do the work.

5) Barreta 950 cal 25. Jet fire semi auto pocket pistol...again very interesting design with the barrel...not sure yet how to deal with a barrel change.

6) Iver Johnson TP 22...is basically a mini clone walther PPK. ...Barrel change ?

Would appreciate information on these possible conversion from prohibited to restricted. Some of these firearms may not be worth that much but the have their own design quality..


Merci in advance from Montreal
 
Pretty sure you can get 12/7

maybe not though, someone smarter than me will post and let us know.

here is some info

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-920378.html
 
somebody on here may be able to help you out with the barrel changes. Contact Barry at Bits of Pieces about Barrel replacements. Murray Charlton Enterprises on Vancouver Island may be able to help with the Smiths. Unless the Beretta is pre 46 you will be s.o.l. on inheriting it under 12.7 even if you change to a longer barrel.
 
The Beretta is prohibited by caliber, so is the ppk. As said Epp's can do a wildcat for which Redding makes dies for, which can help with the ppk. You will probably have to sell the Beretta. You will have to decide just how much you are willing to spend to keep the guns. They aren't particularily valuable to begin with, so it just depends how strong the sentimental attachment is to them
 
Sorry about your Dad.

The S&W, easily enough done by Murray C., noted above.

The PPK in .32 wants to visit Epps, theirs is the simplest and most economical change. The result will be closest to what your Dad had, and you won't have spent huge bucks to make the pistol unreliable. Epps conversion works.

The FN1910 simply needs the restricted FN1922 .380 barrel. I can help you there, or others can. There are a few floating around. The .32 magazines will work fine with .380. You can change the barrel yourself in about 2 minutes, it's not hard. There are probably lots of u-tube videos, just look for "field stripping fn 1910" and you'll see. Take out the .32 barrel, replace with .380 barrel. Even the recoil spring stays the same.

If your Beretta 950 is a .25, you're best off selling it to help finance the changes. They go for between $200 and $300 in good shape with box etc. so condition and accessories will determine what you get.

The Iver Johnson TP22 can be fitted with a longer barrel, and some have just installed a 4.2" section of barrel liner, which looks a bit odd but meets the legal guidelines. That's pretty cheap to do, I would think. My personal preference would be to make it into a longer barrel "TP Sport", using a new barrel. These little pistols shoot surprisingly well, but they are quite cheaply made. You are unlikely to get the kind of mileage that justifies the change.

Rohm = what caliber? These are not worth much, again, sorry to have to say, these are not great. If it's a .22, there's the whole barrel liner thing again. Otherwise, Dewat will probably be its fate.

The guy who now runs zefarm dot net, son and executor of the owner, has been selling his dad's prohibs for about 3 years now. I think if you demonstrate an effort and don't offer the guns for too little, and maybe don't respond too quickly to buyers, you could take your sweet time selling these. The longest I know of an executor (Executrix, actually), without even her PAL, selling her deceased husband's firearms (including some prohibs) is 7 years and counting. The law gives you a great deal of power as an executor. You likely have legal advise, if you get static, get the lawyer to write a nice letter to the CFO of your Province telling them where to get off. There is no hurry, and you are legally obligated to do the best you can for your Dad's estate. Doing your best takes time.

Best of luck, and send me a message if you should decide you want a .380 FN 1922 barrel. Type slowly.
 
Thank you for all the responses. Been a bit busy. Me Mom got the chicken fox and she can barely walk and in severe pain.

Firearms issues: Thank you all for all the responses. I appreciate and need as much information as possible.
I am in the process of finding out what the limits of my legal status as a liquidator. Speaking with the RCMP give me the feeling that we have lost so much rights and I feel like I have a bullseye on my back cause my father was really into collection in the 80s.
Anyway, the Derringer is a 38 special.
I find a lot of internet sites selling used S&W barrels all indicating for sale only US and note may not sell to Canada. Can anyone clarify our rights of purchasing barrels in the US. Do we have to go thru gun dealers to facilitate transactions. So far, not much help from Montreal gun dealership.

Thank you all, I will be interested in the FN 1922 barrel as soon as I confirm the year of manufacture of the fn1910
 
The one thing not mentioned I don't think is that you can simply sell these guns to any person with 12/6 on their license.

Scott
 
You do not have to give up all of your Dad's handguns. Right ffrom the Firearms Act;
If the following criteria are met you may inherit prohibs.
1. The weapons were manufactured before 1946.
2. The weapons were registered in Canada on Dec.1,1998
3. You are the child, grandchild, sibling or spouse of the registered owner.
4. You wish to possess them for the purposes of collecting or target shooting.
This only applies to prohibs which are prohibited due to barrel length or .25/.32 calibre.
It also does not enable you to acquire more prohibs just those inherited.
Check it out with the RCMP.
 
Mike Webb said:
Seems to me that prohibited firearms can be handed down within the family. Something to look into for sure.
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Yes only if they have a RPAL with 12/6, because neither of the firearms on the OP list are eligible for 12/7, they need to be made before 1946.

Maybe the PPK but we'll need to see it.

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McCoy said:
Yes only if they have a RPAL with 12/6, because neither of the firearms on the OP list are eligible for 12/7, they need to be made before 1946.

Maybe the PPK but we'll need to see it.

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The 1910 Browning would be eligible. If they were my dad's I would like to keep at least one.
 
Mike Webb said:
The 1910 Browning would be eligible. If they were my dad's I would like to keep at least one.
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If it is stamped Browning Montreal on it it is not eligible.
The OP has to prove it was made before 1946, and i don't think a record of those pistols exist prior to 1955

I would like to see pictures of both the Walther and Browning, this and the serial numbers, it's the only way to be sure.

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Unfortunately all the right to inherit prohibited is very limited to 1946 and before. Some made 1950s and 60s cannot be inherited unless modified. The requirement to inherit must meet all the criteria you have indicated. It does not give much to rights to new collectors any way of collecting smaller firearms. It does not make sense that they would allow pre 1946 to be inherited and yet does not allow new collectors to buy them. Its either a right or wrong, just or unjust. You cannot create two classes of citizens, those that have the rights and those that does not have the right. They are doing it again in Quebec if they get a new registry in place for the non-restricted. Makes no sense, how our leaders are suppose to be lawyers and yet have no comprehension of justice. Most important any laws is basically a social agreement between all of us and we gave government the right to enforce that agreement. IF there was an agreement to confiscate firearms with out any just reason but because there is supposed to have been a law then where is the compensation for the losses and future losses from appreciated of the property. Just look at the prices of PPK in the US the 1960 -50 German made PPK range from 700 to 1000 in a bidding war. Those prewar are even more in demand yet in MONTREAL the dealer mentioned 100 dollars for the PPK
 
My father FN1910 is marked FN Belgium again I cannot find exact dates on this.
The PPK is post war Made in Germany, its has the ULM/Do, brown handle. There is missing date stamp, I am thinking its was before the date stamp was used. Im cannot find the box it came from cause many stuff went to storage and boxes during cleaning and the collections were inside the safe.
 
What is the procedure for sending firearms via mail. Im assuming the firearm center must be consulted of transfer to the gunsmith. How do I prove that the package actually was shipped and inside the package if the thing was lost.
Does not make sense to put a lock on something that will be repaired.
 
A- Put firearms for sale in the EE.
B- Find a buyer (with 12/6 of course)
C- Buyer pay you, and send his info (name, address, phone #, Pal #).
D- You call CFC to initiate transfer, they will give you a ref #, send this ref # to buyer then buyer call CFC.
C- When transfer is complete, you may call CFC to confirm or wait approval letter from provincial CFO.
D- Ship the gun by Canada Post ExpressPost with signature, Get ATT from CFO to carry the package to Post Office.
E- Thats it !

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Hello McCoy Im assumming its the same procedure if we are sending it to the gun smith like EPPS in Ontario. Is it the same procedure for procuring components like barrels.
 
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