Vegan vs Meat Eater
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I don't think vegans get colon cancer compared to meat eaters, but then clearing huge tracks of wilderness to grow soy, gmo or otherwise, is a crime against humanity. I'm not sure hunted meat is as "clean" as it was once considering the widespread pollution, including fish. And protein is way over rated in our culture. You only need maybe 10% and you can certainly get that from vegetation. You might have to spend a lot more time munching though. lol
I'm just saying we're screwed unless we grow/hunt our own or have a very good relationship with those that do it for us. Try feeding a city of 1 million plus with that philosophy though. How about 10 million?
I'm just saying we're screwed unless we grow/hunt our own or have a very good relationship with those that do it for us. Try feeding a city of 1 million plus with that philosophy though. How about 10 million?
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I enjoy eating meat as much as the next guy, but I'll tell you, if I had to choose between a nice juicy steak or a properly done Portobello mushroom, I 'd choose the mushroom, lol.
I have no respect for anyone who thinks that they should impose their views on anyone else.
That said, I always get a laugh from the retards that eat meat but are still opposed to hunting.
Very smooth speaker..The vegan actually respected his view's in the end.Wonder how he'd do in a debate with an anti??
The hair grew back. My brother figures that maybe his son's vegan diet was lacking in something or other. He was always a bit of a picky eater. But not anymore. Since that 'hair scare', he eats healthier than anyone I know, even to this day.
Excellent!
There are different kinds of farming. If you strive to be like Joel Salatin http://www.polyfacefarms.com/principles/ then kudos to you. I would gladly eat your produce and/or livestock.
If you are a part of this, however, then no thank you.
I don't farm like that no. I have a family farm, 100 or so milking cows. I do not strive to be like Joel Salatin, I am somewhat familiar with him and some of his ideas are good but I disagree with others. I remember reading a quote of his "It takes courage to watch one of your animals die rather than give it antibiotics". Myself I don't call that courage, I'd call it negligence. I don't freely give out antibiotics but if an animal is in pain or sick I do whatever I can to help it with an understanding that it can't be used for human consumption for a long time afterward.
I agree on the antibiotics thing. It makes sense to give them to individuals truly that need them. Back in Ontario, I used to buy all my beef from a farmer who raised his cattle on 100% beautiful, rich grass. We had a discussion when we met about the word "organic", and he explained his reasons why he sometimes (seldom) used antibiotics. It made perfect sense to me. Happy, healthy cattle = delicious, nutritious beef.
I no longer buy beef (or any farmed meat, for that matter) but if I did I would try to find cattle as happy as those who live at Fairchild Farm, near Cambridge.
My family does, however consume quite a lot of milk. I have often wondered what opportunities are available for some sort of "milk co-op" which would provide legal access to raw milk at a reasonable price.
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I grew up in Ontario, milking cows and until my late 20's, farming made up most of the work I did- dairy, beef, and pigs. If it's commercially bought, it's been treated at some point with drugs. Dairy farmers are the worst- every one I've known and worked for has used additives or injections (bST, rumencin) to increase milk production, milk letdown, or faster growth to get cattle milking sooner. There's more likelihood of milk having additives getting to you than any meat product. That being said, there are pretty stringent rules on how long after any treatment with antibiotics or certain other drugs before an animal can be sent to slaughter- they do test, and weep for the man who gets caught cheating!
Unless it's already carrying a disease or infection (and it's not hard to tell), wild meat is going to be 'cleaner' provided you do your part in dressing and processing.
I appreciate you being so candid about milk. I have tried to find better milk products locally, but it isn't easy. We make a lot of kefir, which is incredibly healthy. I suppose we could switch to kombucha or water kefir and omit milk entirely.
I agree about wild meat. That's basically all we eat and I handle every stage myself. Having complete control of the entire process is incredibly rewarding.
This has got me to start thinking outside of the (big) box stores and leaning towards the local farmers, both meat, veg and dairy.
When looking for a new source of groceries, is there anywhere to look for a listing of farms in my area etc? I am in the Hamilton area and am slowly trying to improve my diet/lifestyle and food is a big step but don't know where to start.
Any ideas?
Edit: I am looking for clean / drug free food.
When looking for a new source of groceries, is there anywhere to look for a listing of farms in my area etc? I am in the Hamilton area and am slowly trying to improve my diet/lifestyle and food is a big step but don't know where to start.
Any ideas?
Edit: I am looking for clean / drug free food.
Give Richard Porter a call over at Fairchild Farm. http://www.fairchildfarm.com/
The farm is very close to you (we used to drive there from DT TO). Richard and Fiona are great people and their beef is excellent (and affordable)!
Beyond that, you can try using the search function at http://www.localharvest.org/ to find other farms. There is a place not too far from Richard's that sells pasture-raised chickens, but I can't remember the name now.
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If you zoom into the Canadian areas of the map, you'll find stuff. That's how I found Fairchild Farm and a few other places.
Try this link, for example: http://www.localharvest.org/search.jsp?jmp&scale=7&lat=43.77519&lon=-79.68161
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There's a cute vegan at work, but I love meat...is it worth the trouble?
Hard to say. One of the craziest nights I ever had was with a vegan (or maybe a vegetarian, don't remember). Holy crap was she fun
(she was a ginger, though).The hypocrisy only comes in when there is a contradiction between thier actions and thier beliefs .There are plenty of people that get thier meat from a grocery store, yet for whatever reason do not hunt and do NOT have a problem with hunting and would gladly accept hunted meat if offered, there is no Hypocrisy there.
Lets make that distinction
Lets make that distinction
