Is it illegal to possess a barrel shorter than 106mm in Canada?

[FightingIrish]

I understand the law states barrels 105mm or shorter are prohibited - but does that specifically mean inside the weapon, or does that mean you can't have one at all? If I were to purchase a Glock 26 with a 106mm barrel from someone like Questar, what happens to the stock barrel? Is it tossed away? Do I still get it and cannot use it?

 

[bear.23]

It means the part.. When a company does a conversion If they do the conversion in the US they can sell the barrel in the US (which is unlikely).. If the conversion is done in Canada they turn it in and have it destroyed as part of the process to get the firearm re-registered.

 

[FLHTCUI]

It means the part.. When a company does a conversion If they do the conversion in the US they can sell the barrel in the US (which is unlikely).. If the conversion is done in Canada they turn it in and have it destroyed as part of the process to get the firearm re-registered.

I am confused here, not to hard to do when I am still working on my first cuppa coffee.
I have never heard of the barrel being destroyed to change regi of an "R Class" Firearm to "Non"
I was talking with both Elwood Epps and Barry at BoP in Delta and they both said they could not give me the stock barrel when converting a CX Storm to the Non R firearm.
To which I have seen the shorter barrels at EE for sale with no permits req.
But, that doesnt mean there is some fine print I was/am not privy too as I do not need the stock (short) barrel.
Rob

 

[FightingIrish]

I have never heard of the barrel being destroyed to change regi of an "R Class" Firearm to "Non"

Not sure of the terminology, but does "R Class" mean Restricted and "Non" mean Ron-Restricted? If so, that's not what's happening, because the weapon is still Restricted being it's a handgun, correct? Forgive my ignorance if I'm way off. Virtual slap me if necessary.

 

[FightingIrish]

It means the part.. When a company does a conversion If they do the conversion in the US they can sell the barrel in the US (which is unlikely).. If the conversion is done in Canada they turn it in and have it destroyed as part of the process to get the firearm re-registered.

I HAVE read something about the gun having to be re-registered with the new barrel to make it legal since one with a 3.5" barrel wouldn't be legal to start with.

 

[FLHTCUI]

Not sure of the terminology, but does "R Class" mean Restricted and "Non" mean Ron-Restricted? If so, that's not what's happening, because the weapon is still Restricted being it's a handgun, correct? Forgive my ignorance if I'm way off. Virtual slap me if necessary.

I may be a smartass or even a dumbass from time to time, but there is no need to virtual slap this morning.
You asked a valid question and a couple answers where forth coming.
One had all the information and the other answered and asked a question ..so a two for one deal if you may.
Just my humble experience (20+ yrs) in dealing with the now defunct firearms regi.
Tight Groups,
Rob

 

[Hitzy]

TS is asking about converting prohibited to restricted, not restricted to non.
The prohibited pistol barrel is the prohibited device you cannot own. Like nunchucks, throwing stars, and balisongs due to their deadliness......

 

[FightingIrish]

TS is asking about converting prohibited to restricted, not restricted to non.
The prohibited pistol barrel is the prohibited device you cannot own. Like nunchucks, throwing stars, and balisongs due to their deadliness......

Correct. Swapping out a Prohibited barrel with a Restricted barrel. So it sounds to me, if I'm understanding correctly, that it's the individual part that is illegal, regardless of whether or not it's installed in the gun.

 

[Hitzy]

Correct. Swapping out a Prohibited barrel with a Restricted barrel. So it sounds to me, if I'm understanding correctly, that it's the individual part that is illegal, regardless of whether or not it's installed in the weapon.

Yep....the barrel by itself.

 

[shootemup]

Prohib device. Like silencers...

 

[FightingIrish]

Thanks everyone!

 

[FLHTCUI]

Thanks everyone too.
I actually learned a lil something today as well.
Again TY for the clarification.
Rob

 

[Can-down]

I'm not so sure.
I was one of the guys that bought a 16" barreled 870 a few years back. These guns were surplus from some agency ( customs I believe) and they had been cut down by the agency for their use which is legal but then they sold them as surplus and the guns became private property.
The CFC contacted people that had bought these guns and they wanted me to turn my barrel in for destruction but after I asked them if the barrel was prohibited ( because it had been cut down to less then 18") they finally caved and told me that it was only prohibited if it was attached to the receiver so I told them in that case I would just keep my property and no longer attach it to a receiver. I told them if they wanted they could buy it back from me but they were not interested. The woman I was dealing with suggested that because it was so easy to install a shotgun barrel on an 870 that a case could be made that my possession of the barrel could be a problem because I could easily choose to break the law. I asked her how long it would take to hack saw a shotgun barrel if someone wanted to "break the law".... she didn't really have much to say about that.
Basically they were pressuring me to give up the barrel for destruction suggesting it was a prohibited item but when push came to shove they backed off.
They were unwilling to buy back their "mistake"(allowing the sales of these surplus barrels) and it would not have cost much as there were not that many barrels out there....but I guess that would set some kind of precedent for future confiscation of legally purchased items.

In my opinion you will not get straight answers from the CFC about some of these issues unless you are willing to go to court.

 

[FightingIrish]

I'm not so sure.
... they finally caved and told me that it was only prohibited if it was attached to the receiver so I told them in that case I would just keep my property and no longer attach it to a receiver.

In this case I suppose my concern would be that it would raise some sort of red flag and all of a sudden I'd have someone show up to "inspect" or something of that nature, possibly leading to constant harrassment? I have no clue if that's even possible - being new to all of this - but that would be my worry about having a prohibited "item". I guess I would also have to worry about explaining the desire to keep it if you're not allowed to use it anyways. I hate the look of the 106mm barrel sticking out the tip of the gun though.

 

[Can-down]

In this case I suppose my concern would be that it would raise some sort of red flag and all of a sudden I'd have someone show up to "inspect" or something of that nature, possibly leading to constant harrassment? I have no clue if that's even possible - being new to all of this - but that would be my worry about having a prohibited "item". I guess I would also have to worry about explaining the desire to keep it if you're not allowed to use it anyways. I hate the look of the 106mm barrel sticking out the tip of the gun though.

Well I offered to sell it to them but they declined. I asked if I had to give it up for destruction and they said no. I paid good money for the gun ,that was registered at the time. It came with the barrel that I thought was factory barrel but it turned out to be legally modified.
In my case I'm not to worried because it just sits in my safe as a reminder of how dumb are gun laws are.....I replaced the offensive 16 inch barrel with a 14inch barrel and got it verified by my local Police verifier.....that's another sad story in incompetency!
She(the detachment firearms verifier) had to ask another officer how to open the action on my 870 as when she took it out of the case the action was locked close. I then waited for about an hour while she was in the back taking a measurement. I finally asked the officer at the front desk if she could please find out what was taking so long. The other officer came out with a bit of attitude telling me to be patient as she was having to make an new FRT# which I thought was strange given the amount of 14" 870's in the system. 5 minutes later she gave me back my gun with a note describing the new barrel length in mm. When I got home I checked her measurement and found that she had measured the barrel with the action open instead of closed and she was off by about 3"......drive back to the police station and she's giving me the what know look when I ask her if she could please take a more accurate measurement of my barrel. This time it only took her about 5 minutes to get it back to me.

 

[Can-down]

In this case I suppose my concern would be that it would raise some sort of red flag and all of a sudden I'd have someone show up to "inspect" or something of that nature, possibly leading to constant harrassment? I have no clue if that's even possible - being new to all of this - but that would be my worry about having a prohibited "item". I guess I would also have to worry about explaining the desire to keep it if you're not allowed to use it anyways. I hate the look of the 106mm barrel sticking out the tip of the gun though.

As far as buying a G26 from Questar you won't get the original barrel so you don't have to worry about it....I don't know what they do with the stock barrels but I doubt they are tossed in the garbage!
The protrusion isn't to bad and you can always choose a ported or threaded barrel if you want to take advantage of the extra length.

 

[FightingIrish]

As far as buying a G26 from Questar you won't get the original barrel so you don't have to worry about it....I don't know what they do with the stock barrels but I doubt they are tossed in the garbage!
The protrusion isn't to bad and you can always choose a ported or threaded barrel if you want to take advantage of the extra length.

What are the benefits of a ported or threaded barrel?

 

[FightingIrish]

Nevermind. I just remembered there was this thing called Google.

I understand the ported option, but I thought things like silencers were illegal in Canada. So if that's the case, what else would you require a threaded barrel for? Or did I get the wrong info from Google?

 

[Can-down]

You can get a threaded muzzle break as well and have the option of using a break or not....
For a 9mm a break is not really needed but for a .40 or 10mm they help reduce muzzle flip.

 

[joe.danay]

I understand the law states barrels 105mm or shorter are prohibited -

104mm is the legal minimum. Most that are sold in Canada are 105mm so there's positively more than the minimum, just to be on the safe side of the law. Like how most tactical shotties would come with 18.5" barrels not just 18" even. Usually the manufacturer gives a little extra length, rather than take it down to within thousandths of an inch (leaving it open to dispute). Yes, you can get sg's with barrels shorter than 18" on some fixed, full stock models, but it's just an example of my old folding tactical 870.