.375 Ruger....

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Actually Cam the 375 Ruger has quite a bit more powder capacity than the old H&H, the 300 WM case has more capacity by a fair amount and the Ruger improves on that by a good bit. It should be a good cartridge with virtually the same capacity as the 375 Wby. I'll wring the sh!t out of it and let you know just exactly what it is capable of !!!! With some good hard W-W brass loaded till I see those little bright circles in the headstamp.....LOL
As far as feeding goes any decent rifle worker can make a case that shape feed like silk...............
 
philthygeezer said:
I sure like the idea of the .375 Ruger, though the .375 H&H is first for me. Would like to see it chambered in a Winchester 70 Alaskan and compared to the same in the H&H.

Do all of the virtues of the Holland and Holland hold true with the Ruger? e.g. impeccable feeding and low pressure in hot climates?
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My rifle feeds and extracts flawlessly. There was some question about the Ruger feeding flat meplat bullets do I made up a few as flat as possible and videoed me feeding and ejecting them with ease. More powder capacity than the H&H so as long as you don't overload them, they will work in all temperatures. :)
 
Gatehouse said:
My rifle feeds and extracts flawlessly. There was some question about the Ruger feeding flat meplat bullets do I made up a few as flat as possible and videoed me feeding and ejecting them with ease. More powder capacity than the H&H so as long as you don't overload them, they will work in all temperatures. :)
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Define overload..................
 
Johnn Peterson said:
It's likely as good as any and my choice to not have one doesn't stem from the cartridge itself but from reasons I've previously stated. Whatever you do, I hope you don't change;) the cut and colour of your hunting apparel:p.
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Not any chance of that Johnn, I never said I'd hunt with a 375 Ruger, just want to hammer out the numbers and see how the Horn brass fares against some good W-W brass. I'll still be an H&H man forever, but the Ruger is an interesting design and I think it should equal the 375 Wby, in good brass. It should be interesting to see where in relation to the W-W brass the Horn gives up and drops it's primer. I doubt the horn brass will actually equal my H&H loads.

Gatehouse........I used my "overloads" (270 gn TSX @ 2925 fps) in my 375 H&H in 55 deg heat in Zambia and never had one glitch, not one stiff bolt lift or unduly flattened primer............like I asked before....Define overload.....
 
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Not any chance of that Johnn, I never said I'd hunt with a 375 Ruger, just want to hammer out the numbers and see how the Horn brass fares against some good W-W brass. I'll still be an H&H man forever, but the Ruger is an interesting design and I think it should equal the 375 Wby, in good brass. It should be interesting to see where in relation to the W-W brass the Horn gives up and drops it's primer. I doubt the horn brass will actually equal my H&H loads.

Gatehouse........I used my "overloads" (270 gn TSX @ 2925 fps) in my 375 H&H in 55 deg heat in Zambia and never had one glitch, not one stiff bolt lift or unduly flattened primer............like I asked before....Define overload.....
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:)Couldn't resist the caution 'suggestion' on clothing.
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The .375 Ruger is a great medium bore, as is the H&H, if you like ancient stuff get an H&H. If you're hip, get the Ruger! That Ruger Alaskan is a handy rifle that packs a good punch, is reliable and affordable. What's not to like?
 
c-fbmi said:
Actually Cam the 375 Ruger has quite a bit more powder capacity than the old H&H, the 300 WM case has more capacity by a fair amount and the Ruger improves on that by a good bit. It should be a good cartridge with virtually the same capacity as the 375 Wby. I'll wring the sh!t out of it and let you know just exactly what it is capable of !!!! With some good hard W-W brass loaded till I see those little bright circles in the headstamp.....LOL
As far as feeding goes any decent rifle worker can make a case that shape feed like silk...............
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Hmmm, now if I was to load a WW head-stamped .375 H&H cartridge in my .375 Ultra . . .
 
c-fbmi said:
Define overload..................
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I'm surprised you don't know the answer to that ? It's when you load a cartridge past the pressure it's designed to operate at, leaving yourself with little or no safety margin. In the context of the question that was asked - about hot temperatures increasing pressures- loading higher than designated pressures can reduce your safety margin. I know you regularly load cartridges far past the pressures they are designed for with little to no real world performance gain, but most people prefer to give themselves more margin. After all, 100 fps more than regular " max loads" from a 375 really isn't going to make any difference on game, but it definitely increases your pressure.
 
Boomer said:
Bu Inuit standards they brought out the big gun for you guys.
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You are right on that one the front sight was brazzed on . I repaired a lot of stuff for them in the shop on the drill ship and whent on a few hunts and need to be around a camp fire for those stories And no i did not brazz the sight on as we hade all the stuff to do it right
 
mrak said:
was that question or just fishing
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That was specifically for Gatehouse, according to him any load that develops more than 45,000 psi is an overload. If you don't get 10-20 reloads from each case then you are overloaded.........I just was interested in where he draws the line in the sand exactly. He seems to load that Ruger of his as though it was made of glass and just barely makes 375 CT ballistics. Which is absolutely fine with me, but then I don't continually criticize him for his loading habits, more the other way round. After loading for more years than he has been around, and still having all my fingers and both eyes, I think I know enough about the game and thresholds of the brass case and modern bolt action rifles.
 
Are you guys still arguing about pressure? Clearly c-fbmi is still around and intact. Not sure if it has been mentioned but compare a rem 700 and a Ruger 77 boltface sometime. If there is no place for the brass to flow, it is the rifle taking the pressure, not the brass, and then the next weak point is the chamber/barrel. The case is a seal.

There are reasons to have a safety factor though. Example, you fire a magazine full in rapid succession, reload and chamber a round, couple minutes later you fire that shell that has warmed up in the chamber, what is the pressure now?

There is a safety factor built in, how much of it you are willing to use is a personal choice. I'd pay $100 to know what pressure c-fbmi is running.
 
c-fbmi said:
That was specifically for Gatehouse, according to him any load that develops more than 45,000 psi is an overload. If you don't get 10-20 reloads from each case then you are overloaded.........I just was interested in where he draws the line in the sand exactly. He seems to load that Ruger of his as though it was made of glass and just barely makes 375 CT ballistics. Which is absolutely fine with me, but then I don't continually criticize him for his loading habits, more the other way round. After loading for more years than he has been around, and still having all my fingers and both eyes, I think I know enough about the game and thresholds of the brass case and modern bolt action rifles.
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Lots of bullschit here. I load for accuracy and want good velocity. Mostly that happens with pressures around maximum pressures listed in manuals. Sometimes I exceed listed loads slightly, but not by much, as I don't see the point in pushing pressures past the design parameters and narrowing your margin for reliability. If I want more velocity I'll pick a bigger cartridge.

You believe that you are smarter than all the guys working in ballistic labs with modern pressure testing gear. It's fine to stroke your ego by loading to extreme pressures but don't try to sell us that you know some secret nobody else does. Anybody can keep adding powder.
 
c-fbmi said:
Actually Cam the 375 Ruger has quite a bit more powder capacity than the old H&H, the 300 WM case has more capacity by a fair amount and the Ruger improves on that by a good bit. It should be a good cartridge with virtually the same capacity as the 375 Wby. I'll wring the sh!t out of it and let you know just exactly what it is capable of !!!! With some good hard W-W brass loaded till I see those little bright circles in the headstamp.....LOL
As far as feeding goes any decent rifle worker can make a case that shape feed like silk...............
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According to Wikipedia (the only source I have at he moment on my phone), case capacity is 95 for the H&H, 99 for the Ruger and 105 for the Weatherby.
 
bcsteve said:
According to Wikipedia (the only source I have at he moment on my phone), case capacity is 95 for the H&H, 99 for the Ruger and 105 for the Weatherby.
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Thanks Steve, I was making assumptions without actually measuring their capacities.........good info to know. I wonder who's brass they used for these capacities, Horn obviously for the Ruger, likely Weatherby (Norma) for the Wby but I'd be curious to know for the H&H. Different makes of brass can have significantly different capacities. Regardless it would seem the Ruger falls pretty much squarely in between the H&H and the Wby.

Gatehouse, Gatehouse, Gatehouse...............SAAMI is obviously the "end all, be all" for you, so be it..........We needn't speak further on this topic, you read books and I'll read brass and we'll both be happy:D:D
 
c-fbmi said:
Thanks Steve, I was making assumptions without actually measuring their capacities.........good info to know. I wonder who's brass they used for these capacities, Horn obviously for the Ruger, likely Weatherby (Norma) for the Wby but I'd be curious to know for the H&H. Different makes of brass can have significantly different capacities. Regardless it would seem the Ruger falls pretty much squarely in between the H&H and the Wby.

Gatehouse, Gatehouse, Gatehouse...............SAAMI is obviously the "end all, be all" for you, so be it..........We needn't speak further on this topic, you read books and I'll read brass and we'll both be happy:D:D
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If you don't want to speak further on the topic then stop pestering me about it, asking for "overload " definitions, when you full well know my definition is the same as most handloaders and all ballisticians.
 
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