I have a dream...A Norinco AR-10...

[FallenShadow80]

I found what I believe are Cad files. They're .IGS format. I can't open them. But they are for a Lower, Upper and Mag. If someone has the software to look at them I would be happy to send them.

 

[SteelCap]

I found what I believe are Cad files. They're .IGS format. I can't open them. But they are for a Lower, Upper and Mag. If someone has the software to look at them I would be happy to send them.

Send it to Can Am.

 

[kage123]

Quick snapshot of whats on those drawings

 

[CanAm]

those look like modern ar10s

 

[kage123]

Ah forgot, this was also on the drawings
I *Think* this is an ar-10 G3 lower?

 

[P0WERWAGON]

those are restricted ones. too bad

 

[AikiNut]

Again - anybody tried a search on GRABCAD.COM?
http://grabcad.com/library?per_page=20&query=ar10

Here's the list of CAD files from one of the postings - there are several postings/renderings.
http://grabcad.com/library/ar10-lower-reciever/files

Not having any CAD/CAM experience (yet) I don't know if any of these are useful, or if they're Restricted or Non-Restricted, but these seem to be real CAD files

 

[FallenShadow80]

They are all like the ones posted. They are modern AR-10s.

 

[burnt_servo]

I wonder if the original drawings might be found in a patent office somewhere ?

 

[CanAm]

I wonder if the original drawings might be found in a patent office somewhere ?

patents are almost never filed with dimensioned drawings, nor for complete guns (unless it is a design patent)

 

[avroe]

CanAm,

Speaking hypothetically, if CGN members were able to put together say $10,000 via "fundraising/crowdsourcing" to fund the contracted re-drawing of the proper blueprints (which could then possibly be open-sourced as part of the effort); do you;

A) Believe that $10,000 would cover the contracted cost to get manufacture-ready drawings made? (assuming a free borrow of an existing rifle is made available to the project). If $10,000 would likely be far too low, what do you think more realistic?

B) If you (CanAm) were to receive the crowdsourced funds as 1 fulll deposit up-front, would you be interested in managing the project and contractor on behalf of Canadian Shooters involved in the crowdfuding?

With the above two questions being asked, I am simply focusing on the manufacturing-ready blueprints. No guaranteed production of any rifles.

I am also simply asking hypothetically, I realize many complicated parts would be involved. Just curious on your thoughts in general.

 

[CanAm]

It is not about money, it is about getting the drawings.

BTW RE of the gun will be in the $50k range, without drawings, not including prototyping, etc.

Re would require that we find a semi auto gun to start, or design a SA mechanism from a FA/CA gun

Without a set of drawings to start, my interest is low.

That does not even include FRT assignment, assuming we sought it. This seems to be taking anywhere from 18months to infinity these days.

CanAm,

Speaking hypothetically, if CGN members were able to put together say $10,000 via "fundraising/crowdsourcing" to fund the contracted re-drawing of the proper blueprints (which could then possibly be open-sourced as part of the effort); do you;

A) Believe that $10,000 would cover the contracted cost to get manufacture-ready drawings made? (assuming a free borrow of an existing rifle is made available to the project). If $10,000 would likely be far too low, what do you think more realistic?

B) If you (CanAm) were to receive the crowdsourced funds as 1 fulll deposit up-front, would you be interested in managing the project and contractor on behalf of Canadian Shooters involved in the crowdfuding?

With the above two questions being asked, I am simply focusing on the manufacturing-ready blueprints. No guaranteed production of any rifles.

I am also simply asking hypothetically, I realize many complicated parts would be involved. Just curious on your thoughts in general.

 

[XXXXX]

How about an ar-180b?

This... I've mentioned this a few times.

Such a simple, great gun. Only point I'd recommend is that it be manufactured to accept AR-15 stocks.

Non-restricted.

 

[t_102]

This... I've mentioned this a few times.

Such a simple, great gun. Only point I'd recommend is that it be manufactured to accept AR-15 stocks.

Non-restricted.

Well what the heck are we waiting for? Are AR-180B schematics widely available?

 

[AikiNut]

Reverse Engineering an existing device (such as an original AR-180 or AR-10) is certainly possible. Does it violate intellectual property or patents? I don't know.

Some companies actually do reverse engineering of things using optical "white light" 3-D imaging combined with using a "FARO" arm - which is a 3-D "digitizer". I'm not familiar with the process but it goes from photography and digitization to CAD and from there to the milling/wire-cutting machines. In some places, this is done "in house". Most of that AFAIK is used in manufacturing punches, tools, dies for things like automotive parts stamping, where one tool or punch might be used to punch out thousands and thousands of parts.

 

[Fretman]

Good call on the Ar10, but the restricted classification sucks! I would like to hunt with a semi 308 other than a Norinco m305(heavy). It stands alone as the only affordable,semi auto 308 in this country that I know of.I Know Im dreaming but I still think an FAL type clone with different reciever would sell tonnes here if the price was reasonable.

I would love a non-restricted FAL type rifle!

 

[SteelCap]

Not sure but probably no need for schematics to reverse engineer. Armalite have been thinking on and off on reproducing this rifle. Its taken a back seat I believe over priority models. So it would be just a matter of requesting a run of 180B?

Reverse Engineering an existing device (such as an original AR-180 or AR-10) is certainly possible. Does it violate intellectual property or patents? I don't know.

Some companies actually do reverse engineering of things using optical "white light" 3-D imaging combined with using a "FARO" arm - which is a 3-D "digitizer". I'm not familiar with the process but it goes from photography and digitization to CAD and from there to the milling/wire-cutting machines. In some places, this is done "in house". Most of that AFAIK is used in manufacturing punches, tools, dies for things like automotive parts stamping, where one tool or punch might be used to punch out thousands and thousands of parts.

 

[Ohno]

AR180B already has an FRT, one less hurdle. Maybe a Canadian run of rifles w/ some updates?

 

[wgamble89]

I'm sending an email to ArmaLite just on the slim chance they would provide a copy of the original design drawings, not expecting anything but who knows.

 

[CanAm]

I'm sending an email to ArmaLite just on the slim chance they would provide a copy of the original design drawings, not expecting anything but who knows.

Not going to happen. They would also need ITAR clearance to export them.