Swiss Arms - Class action lawsuit

Daemanknight said:
My MP Larry Miller did this....

Miller Seconds M-452-Firearms Act



Ottawa, ON – Recently, Larry Miller, MP for Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound, seconded M-452, a motion put forward in the House of Commons by Cheryl Gallant, MP for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, that deals with firearms reclassifications and various reforms to firearms regulation.



M-452 would amend Sections 117, 118 and 119 of the Firearms Act to establish a “Firearms Experts Technical Committee with the goal of restoring public confidence in the functions and operations of the Canadian Firearms Registration System. This committee would be permanent and would oversee such things as firearms reclassifications and would have regulatory powers with regards to the safe handling of firearms.



Essentially, M-452 would remove the responsibility from the RCMP for classifying categories of firearms and place this responsibility within the scope of the duties of the Firearms Experts Technical Committee. The committee would be composed of the following members: 1) RCMP, 2) Ontario Forensic Centre, 3) four individuals appointed to the committee as civilian firearms experts. Furthermore, M-452 would place a moratorium on firearms reclassification until the permanent committee is in place.



“Having a safe, fair and transparent firearms registration system is a top priority for law-abiding hunters, anglers and sportsmen and indeed all Canadians,” said Miller. “This motion will end the arbitrary reclassification of firearms and will establish a committee that oversees firearms registration in an open and transparent fashion and that operates with direct civilian oversight.”
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This could be good or at least a good start!
 
They scraped the LGR and the Libs didn't like it and didn't want them to do it. But it happened! and the same could be done with C-68

So write those letters every week, say in them that your vote depends on how they deal with this mess!
 
I don't think we should compromise.... Not one inch. When I was younger (the last time this crap happened on '92) I though its not so bad. At least I got grandfathered. Now looking at the bigger picture and a whole lot more experience behind me and a better understanding of our convoluted FA its just a constant erosion of our firearms hobby and personal freedoms.
Demand they repeal c-68
 
I agree wholeheartedly Boomer. This is a time to press for real change and not accept a band aid. If the Conservatives had scrapped the Firearms Act instead of just the LGR they likely would not have spent anymore political currency in doing so. I don't know if the Conservatives will actually do what is needed to be done but I damn sure plan on writing my letters to try to force the issue.
 
Boomer686 said:
I don't think we should compromise.... Not one inch. When I was younger (the last time this crap happened on '92) I though its not so bad. At least I got grandfathered. Now looking at the bigger picture and a whole lot more experience behind me and a better understanding of our convoluted FA its just a constant erosion of our firearms hobby and personal freedoms.
Demand they repeal c-68
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I don't think we should compromise either. But better to support these smaller initiatives which stand a much better chance of passing, AND demand bill c-68 scrapped, then to simply demand c68 scrapped alone.

RayHill said:
They scraped the LGR and the Libs didn't like it and didn't want them to do it. But it happened! and the same could be done with C-68

So write those letters every week, say in them that your vote depends on how they deal with this mess!
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This is the most important part - keeping up the pressure. Already a week later the threads about this are falling off the main page of the Gun Nutz Site. We need to sustain pushing on this.
 
PSYLNZ said:
I don't think we should compromise either. But better to support these smaller initiatives which stand a much better chance of passing, AND demand bill c-68 scrapped, then to simply demand c68 scrapped alone.



This is the most important part - keeping up the pressure. Already a week later the threads about this are falling off the main page of the Gun Nutz Site. We need to sustain pushing on this.
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By asking for the smaller initiatives they might get the impression that those would be acceptable compromises and abandon the idea of scrapping C68. What we'll end up with is a patch job on the current firearms act and it will eventually be abused again.

No, it must stop now. Together we can demand and reasonably achieve the complete elimination of the firearms act. WE CAN DO IT, but only together.
 
“Having a safe, fair and transparent firearms registration system is a top priority for law-abiding hunters, anglers and sportsmen and indeed all Canadians,”

NO!!! we don't need this stuff again
Repeal c-68!!!
 
NavyCuda said:
By asking for the smaller initiatives they might get the impression that those would be acceptable compromises and abandon the idea of scrapping C68. What we'll end up with is a patch job on the current firearms act and it will eventually be abused again.

No, it must stop now. Together we can demand and reasonably achieve the complete elimination of the firearms act. WE CAN DO IT, but only together.
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We have to realize the political climate we are in, and fight smartly. The majority of Canadians are not likely to see things our way yet. The Conservatives are not polling well, and it is far too close to an election for any sane party to suddenly roll out anything as polarizing as the scrapping of C68. Remember the Long Gun Registry - the Conservatives tried to scrap it for years, with years of preparation, and when they finally got a majority government it still took them a year to get rid of it, I think a year and a half if you include Quebec. When the Firearms Advisory Committee, put out their recommendations, Harper agreed with then Liberal Leader Bob Rae, and said the Committee needed to rethink its position. Several months later, three civilian members were kicked off the committee, replaced by two police chiefs and a police association president. As I said, the conservatives are not doing so well these days. They need to worry about holding on to power, and getting seats in Ontario and Quebec next election.

I'm not trying to be discouraging. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't let your MP and the PMO's office know that your vote and support are contingent on a scrapping or complete rewrite of the firearms act - you should! What I'm saying is, we should fight this tooth and claw with everything we have at our disposal, and that includes the small initiatives. Maybe we can get the Conservatives to promise to scrap bill C68 before the next election. But we shouldn't put all our fight into one long shot, especially when some MPs are already trying to get us some smaller, but more plausible change. We've done well in some regards, exploiting the flaws in the firearms act to our advantage. If we can get the RCMP out of the firearms classification business, get name of firearm and barrel lengths dropped as a criteria for classification, we can achieve huge gains working within this flawed legislation, which for the time being is much more achievable than trying to get it scrapped or completely overhauled.

Fight for a both rewrite of the firearms act AND for the smaller gains in the meantime, not one or the other.
 
im not liking how fast this is dropping off the main paige... common guys...... im i crazy to think we should have some political threads "sticky'd" on the home page for a bit.... not trying to force it..... just strongly encouraged haha
 
Whole heartedly agree I think iti s purposterous that i have to lock up my guns ,in my locked house , behind my locked bedroom door, behind my locked closet door,behind my locked gun case behind my triggerl ocked guns ,separate from my locked ammunition. that is a load of poop. I want to be able to conceal carry open carry, i want to be able to carry my ar on my back into walmart if i so choose. i am not a criminal. and Anyone who opposes my doing so YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM and you should not be on this site . Guns or carring them openly is not a problem i see it all the time in the usa actually i see belligerent drunk idiots walking with the guns...never once am i in fear. becasue i know they know the ramifications of pulling that firearm when there life is not in danger. I should not have to have a permit to take my gun in the most direct route to a shooting range , period, i should be able to take my ar or my pistol to crown land and have a safe fun afternoon with my friends being mindfull of the brass and garbage. cleaning up after ourselves ect ect it's all part of gun ownership. And i should not be limited to wich gun i can own based on barrel length or the rounds it can hold. This is all liberal garbage and propaganda and if you disagree with my sentiment then you are part of the problem. silencers save hearing, they are not tactical nor are the quiet they are quieter but trust me you know when it's being shot through . Anyway. That's my opinion. I'm tired of having to prove i am not a criminal. While criminals have to prove nothing.
 
Class action lawsuit is a green light to the seizures of these firearms and consequently a green light to future ones. We need to change the firearms act, and we need to stand up and fight for for it,end of story
 
I agree with you Shawn whole heartedly, I need to ask because I need learn how to stand up and fight for it, show me the way Brother.

Regards
 
PSYLNZ said:
We have to realize the political climate we are in, and fight smartly. The majority of Canadians are not likely to see things our way yet. The Conservatives are not polling well, and it is far too close to an election for any sane party to suddenly roll out anything as polarizing as the scrapping of C68. Remember the Long Gun Registry - the Conservatives tried to scrap it for years, with years of preparation, and when they finally got a majority government it still took them a year to get rid of it, I think a year and a half if you include Quebec. When the Firearms Advisory Committee, put out their recommendations, Harper agreed with then Liberal Leader Bob Rae, and said the Committee needed to rethink its position. Several months later, three civilian members were kicked off the committee, replaced by two police chiefs and a police association president. As I said, the conservatives are not doing so well these days. They need to worry about holding on to power, and getting seats in Ontario and Quebec next election.

I'm not trying to be discouraging. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't let your MP and the PMO's office know that your vote and support are contingent on a scrapping or complete rewrite of the firearms act - you should! What I'm saying is, we should fight this tooth and claw with everything we have at our disposal, and that includes the small initiatives. Maybe we can get the Conservatives to promise to scrap bill C68 before the next election. But we shouldn't put all our fight into one long shot, especially when some MPs are already trying to get us some smaller, but more plausible change. We've done well in some regards, exploiting the flaws in the firearms act to our advantage. If we can get the RCMP out of the firearms classification business, get name of firearm and barrel lengths dropped as a criteria for classification, we can achieve huge gains working within this flawed legislation, which for the time being is much more achievable than trying to get it scrapped or completely overhauled.

Fight for a both rewrite of the firearms act AND for the smaller gains in the meantime, not one or the other.
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If you want just a re-write of the firearms act, don't bother writing your MP, you're not helping.

We can completely eliminate the Firearms Act, but we all have to ask for the same thing. Stop being defeatists, we can do this, together.
 
paul1shooter said:
Whole heartedly agree I think iti s purposterous that i have to lock up my guns ,in my locked house , behind my locked bedroom door, behind my locked closet door,behind my locked gun case behind my triggerl ocked guns ,separate from my locked ammunition. that is a load of poop. I want to be able to conceal carry open carry, i want to be able to carry my ar on my back into walmart if i so choose. i am not a criminal. and Anyone who opposes my doing so YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM and you should not be on this site . Guns or carring them openly is not a problem i see it all the time in the usa actually i see belligerent drunk idiots walking with the guns...never once am i in fear. becasue i know they know the ramifications of pulling that firearm when there life is not in danger. I should not have to have a permit to take my gun in the most direct route to a shooting range , period, i should be able to take my ar or my pistol to crown land and have a safe fun afternoon with my friends being mindfull of the brass and garbage. cleaning up after ourselves ect ect it's all part of gun ownership. And i should not be limited to wich gun i can own based on barrel length or the rounds it can hold. This is all liberal garbage and propaganda and if you disagree with my sentiment then you are part of the problem. silencers save hearing, they are not tactical nor are the quiet they are quieter but trust me you know when it's being shot through . Anyway. That's my opinion. I'm tired of having to prove i am not a criminal. While criminals have to prove nothing.
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You are incredibly correct in everything you said. And you most definitely, are not alone.
 
So what we need is some direction from NFA CSSA, we need to change the rule for which the RCMP Smith's are determining what is good and bad, if the law said pink grips are illegal the Smiths working for the RCMP would prohibit them.

Pointing out the obvious here
 
These are exactly my thoughts. We need directions from them! They should be more proactive in this situation and not just accepting our donations.

GTA Dragon said:
So what we need is some direction from NFA CSSA, we need to change the rule for which the RCMP Smith's are determining what is good and bad, if the law said pink grips are illegal the Smiths working for the RCMP would prohibit them.

Pointing out the obvious here
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NavyCuda said:
If you want just a re-write of the firearms act, don't bother writing your MP, you're not helping.

We can completely eliminate the Firearms Act, but we all have to ask for the same thing. Stop being defeatists, we can do this, together.
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I'm not a defeatist, I'm a realist. The surest way to defeat is to put everything into one risky endeavour.

The various petitions stand a much higher chance of passing before the next election. The repeal of C68 BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION, however, is a huge longshot. The election could easily go to the Liberals or NDP, and both of those parties would support each other for a majority when it comes to gun-grab laws. In the meantime, while we work on getting C68 repealed, we'd be foolish not to support an MP trying to improve the laws surrounding firearms classification.
 
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