Federal gun grab?

[Barry F]

Do the natives write nice letters and constantly make donations to get what they want? I'm all in for supporting the cause but holy hell we need to speak much louder.

The problem with this is that we all have jobs and families to feed, and cant afford to take a whole season off to "protest". They get paid, by taxpayers, to protest against how the evil taxpayers don't give them enough.

[lone ranger]

Do the natives write nice letters and constantly make donations to get what they want? I'm all in for supporting the cause but holy hell we need to speak much louder.

I agree...put up or shut up !! lets get going..makes some dam noise ..whats wrong with people these days..to busy sitting on the couch, wishing problems would go away ????

[hunterhenderson]

What has prompted this post?

Did we loose another gun that had a FRT number and has been reclassified??

Are they looking at more that you know of.....specifics???

Federal gun grab might sound sensational and alarmist but it is time that Canadian Gun owners woke up to the fact that this is indeed happening. We are at the mercy of the bureaucrats who appear to be running the Government. Elections may change Government but the behind the scenes bureaucracy remains unchanged and they work away to their own agenda.

Confiscation due to reclassification is a FACT OF LIFE it is happening. I hate to say it but the RCMP Forensic Lab have to work within the frame work of law, their hands are tied. When a “new” firearm is imported into Canada the lab usually classifies it, they may (Should?) examine a sample, research the manufacturer and render a decision. Their technical report is viewed against our current firearm laws, regulations and court decisions and they issue an FRT as a result. The problem arises when after several years and many thousands of imports the lab re-examines a firearm and issues a revised decision that is different to their original one.

The problem is that the way our laws are written, a reclassification will often result in prohibition. It would be reasonable to expect compensation from the Government, after all the importer received approval from the Government in the first place by the issue of an FRT and classification.

Problem areas as I see it are largely due to our very poorly worded laws and the different ways a legal interpretation can be made. Simply, how a question is worded to a lawyer can result in two different answers, for example: Is there any way we can stop John from doing this? Will result in a different answer to: Is there any way we can let John do this?

Variants, what constitutes a variant of a restricted or prohibited firearm? Depends who you ask!

If a firearm can be converted to fully automatic with “relative ease and time” (Not the exact wording) it is deemed prohibited. This is a terrible court decision, just about any firearm can be converted to full automatic. Most semi auto firearms with a reciprocating charging handle can be converted to full automatic with a piece of string! Where will this end up?

Transparency and accountability is almost nonexistent between the RCMP Forensic laboratory, the Government and the firearms community.

Time for a change in our Shooting Organisations if we want to reverse this trend, while we remain fragmented we are seen as weak! I served as Manitoba President of the NFA for ten years, I worked as a Director with the CSSA for five years, I know Jim Newman who left the CSSA and formed another organisation, based on my experience it is time for these organisations to stop fighting among themselves and unite into one strong organisation. We have a separate Canadian Dealer association, the CSAAA, time for them to re-organise and present a powerful, determined, united front to the Government.

[Danimal247]

thanks

[Can-down]

John, Here's an idea I've floated a few times over the years and most recently in a thread that Blair Haggen was posting in. Blair never responded but I'm curious about your views as a retailer.

Dave's surplus offers 10% off at their store just for telling them that you are a member of CGN.

My thought to improve the numbers of shooters who join the shooting orgs is to see if retailers would be willing to kick in a discount at the till for card carrying members. In my experience most shooters trend towards the thrifty to cheap side of the spectrum and if they could recoup the cost of the membership at their favorite gun store it would be a win-win.

My other thought is in order to increase the base of membership that the orgs represent when dealing with the politicians there should be free basic membership with no perks what so ever beyond your name on a list of people who support the organization.

If people are willing to pay a reasonable fee for their membership they could have access to things like insurance, legal support and retail discounts.


I agree with the joint effort merger approach but every time it comes up a lot of people argue that we are better served by two different organizations.
I just don't see that much room at the table when it comes to dealing with the government and the bottom line is that who ever is sitting at the table needs to have the weight of every gun owner in Canada on their side.

[volkov956]

The events the RCMP has done is causing me to go down to Alberta and discuss these new problems and the more that are coming....also will do an ammo run while there might as well reserve is running low

[Messy Pants]

Take my money to fight this.

https://nfa.ca/
http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/

Support them and they support us. I find it well worth the small fees

[Grumpy Wolverine]

Any benefit to trying to bring the NRA up here and turning it into a shared USA/Canada organization?

While I love the NRA, I think we have to follow some of their ideas but we have to tone down others. Preaching to the average Canadian that we all need CCW and Defensive firearms (as much as most of us agree we do) isn't going to gain us any support. While we are a country built with a gun culture, the culture is different from our brethren south of the border.

[redleafjumper]

Canada’s National Firearms is consulting legal counsel on the Swiss Arms Seizures and we believe that there are grounds for a Firearms Act Challenge arising from S. 74 of the Firearms Act. In our assessment we need the owner(s) of one of the affected restricted versions of the Swiss Arms Carbine, as well as owners of the newly prohibited non-restricted versions to contact our lead counsel on the matter who will be Solomon Friedman of Edelson Clifford D'Angelo Friedman LLP. There are many questions that will arise from this decision of the Minister of Public Safety to re-classify this firearm, not the least of which is how owners of the non-restricted version will be contacted, given that there should no longer be a record of their ownership in the registration system.

Here is part of the FRT: Canadian Law Comments - in the case of this firearm, it has been determined that the component; commonly referred to as the upper receiver assembly, into which the barrel is mounted and which contains the breech mechanism and upon which the Manufacturer's identification, Model identification, Proof information, and the full serial number is marked, is the Receiver/Frame for the purposes stated within the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code of Canada.

- Company documentation and advertising linking this Model to the SIG Arms SG540 rifle design resulted in an initial "Non-Restricted" classification of this Model.
- In 2013/2014, a thorough inspection of the Classic Green family of firearms (which included this Model) has determined this Model to be a variant of the firearm commonly known as the SG-550 rifle or SG-551 Carbine and is therefore prohibited under Part 1, para. 83 of the Prohibited Firearm Regulations in Part III of Section 84 of
the Criminal Code of Canada.

Other Markings - "CH 016" may be marked on the left side of the upper receiver/frame, which may denote a Swiss Government manufacturing licensing requirement.

Cross-References
Firearm Ref No. Make Model Manufacturer Type Action
82651 SIG SG540 Manufacture de Machines du Haut Rhin
(MANURHIN)
Rifle Full Automatic
82695 SIG SG540 Manufacture de Machines du Haut Rhin
(MANURHIN)
Rifle Converted Automatic
118907 Swiss Arms Blue Star Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119484 Swiss Arms Swiss Arms Edition Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119485 Swiss Arms Red Devil Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119587 Swiss Arms Black Special Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
119588 Swiss Arms Heavy Metal Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
124216 Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
124218 Swiss Arms Classic Green CQB Swiss Arms Rifle Semi-Automatic
Also Known As/Product Code
Classic-Green
PE 90
PE90
Year Dates No Data Retrieved

Importer
FN Sports
Shooting Edge

[stac50bmg]

Any benefit to trying to bring the NRA up here and turning it into a shared USA/Canada organization?

That would be a super idea.

And I agree with that proposal.