The Modern Hunter Rifle UPDATED December 10 2015

alberta tactical rifle said:
Guys I screwed up!! :redface: I posted that the UBR will work, it will not. Sorry about this I simply got my alphabet soup of stock nomenclature screwed up.
I wanted to clarify this asap.
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So the issue is that the cover that seals the opening for the charging handle reciprocates along with the handle? How much material on the stock is blocking the handle? Is it insignificant enough that the material on the stock could be removed without compromising the stocks integrity?

I'm just trying to brainstorm.
 
moogles said:
So the issue is that the cover that seals the opening for the charging handle reciprocates along with the handle? How much material on the stock is blocking the handle? Is it insignificant enough that the material on the stock could be removed without compromising the stocks integrity?

I'm just trying to brainstorm.
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Your understanding is pretty much spot on. Exactly how much stock material needing to be removed is not know, but as near as I can guess about .125". It should not effect the integrity of the stock, but until we get more time to see all the issues with the UBR are stating non direct compatability.
Let face it with enough messing about anything can be made to work.
Give us a little more time on this 1 to see precisely what if anything can be done.
 
Am I correct that to change from .308 to 6.5 creedmoor would only be a barrel change? Cost of an extra match ss barrel? Same bolt, carrier and 308 magazines right?
 
bruin048 said:
could we have a count on how many pre-ordered. :)

Did I miss it somewhere.?
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The 75 that have custom serial number option have sold out. We are still taking pre-orders for the remaining 25 that will be identical in every respect except you missed out on the possibility of having your own custom serial number. We had a couple of cancellations, that were filled quickly.
IF we get another cancellation we can offer that slot to someone with a generic serial numbered gun as we are still a little ways off before we get to engraving the serial numbers on the lowers.
 
Coyotecreek said:
I assume we get to choose which barrel manufacturer is used. I'm sure being match barrels and chosen as options by atrs they'll all be great but any feedback on these? I'd sure like to go with Jury, being in Alberta or at least canada for those farther afield.
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IF you were to opt for a conventional stainless steel barrel, Jury certainly IS an option. The other option in this type of barrel is Lilja.
IF you wanted Carbon Fiber Wrapped, then the ONLY option is Proof Research.
 
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tmandell said:
Is there any chance of a bolt action upper? Mag fed or single shot would be ok with me.
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ATRS has stated that if you use an adjustable gas block and have it fully closed the rifle effectively becomes a straight pull bolt action. Or if you're really hardcore you might be able to get a barrel with no gas port, but personally I myself would prefer the flexibility of an adjustable gas block.
 
Has anybody else gone in and fondled the lower prototype receiver, and the pre-prototype upper (the hunk of metal they submitted for FRT) ? I am amazed at just how precise the fit is, and I can't be the only person thinking that. Thing is a work of freaking art.


And on to the REAL question I have for anybody looking at this, any ideas where one can procure floor plates for the XCR-M 10 rd mags? I believe they are A.S.C. LLC stamped on the bottom, I'm going to try to put together a coupling system similar to the ones they have for the LAR-15 mags, and it would be much much easier with a couple of spare floor plates, instead of potentially rendering my magazines inoperable.
 
What would be the chances this could work with the wsm or saum family of cartridges? Seen a few ar10 uppers in these. Also 450 marlin would be an awesome cartridge too. I know these are not 308 family but they fit in the mags and there are bcg's out there for those calibers. Adjustable gas block and it could be possible? Either way, me want!
 
saitek11 said:
What would be the chances this could work with the wsm or saum family of cartridges? Seen a few ar10 uppers in these. Also 450 marlin would be an awesome cartridge too. I know these are not 308 family but they fit in the mags and there are bcg's out there for those calibers. Adjustable gas block and it could be possible? Either way, me want!
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I think the primary issue would be if the bolt face is compatible. Some calibres just need a new barrel put on and they work fine, but if the bolt face is different that causes all sorts of issues of having to redesign the thing and make sure it's not going to explode. Think of what happened to the Just Right carbine, it was designed for 9x19, and then a few parts were swapped out for .45ACP, and components started breaking because they could no longer hold up to the strain in the original dimensions.
 
tmandell said:
Is there any chance of a bolt action upper? Mag fed or single shot would be ok with me.
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We already build a REALLY good bolt action, just not in an AR style. And frankly our bolt action rifles will always eclipse any rifle with an upper and lower design for accuracy.

To answer your question however. Not a very good chance at all, we would have to completely design an entirely new rifle, which costs money. ALOT of money especially given the miniscule market that Canada offers.

To put it into perspective for you, the Modern Hunter cost us well in excess of 75K to get just the 1st prototype functional. Since the 1st very crude prototype the investment costs have sky rocketed with now designing the final product and all the proprietary parts, then making programs and fixtures for all the parts we need to manufacture that can not be purchased elsewhere. Add to that the costs of specialized tooling that just this rifle requires. Just the 1 drill used to put the hole through the upper for the bolt to run in was nearly $2000.00 alone.
For several years now we have made AR15 style rifles and most of the tooling and all of the fixtures are totally useless for the making of this gun.

I am not complaining just simply trying to educate folks on what has actually gone into essentially re-working a 60 year old design to deal with some stupid laws. If it was cheap or easy I know there would many more shops doing this.
 
saitek11 said:
What would be the chances this could work with the wsm or saum family of cartridges? Seen a few ar10 uppers in these. Also 450 marlin would be an awesome cartridge too. I know these are not 308 family but they fit in the mags and there are bcg's out there for those calibers. Adjustable gas block and it could be possible? Either way, me want!
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Many things can be forced to work to a degree, but the resulting problems from this type of conversion outweigh any benefits not to mention the increased liability. There are "gunsmiths" that will try and make a short action 700 work in the WSM cartridge family, but in most cases there are complications. With the SAUM family in consideration for being discontinued by Remington,sorry, not gonna happen.
Once we get time to develop the Modern Magnum those, like me, who want a high caliber rifle will get their dream of a 7 Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag or possibly even 338 Lapua.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
I think the primary issue would be if the bolt face is compatible. Some calibres just need a new barrel put on and they work fine, but if the bolt face is different that causes all sorts of issues of having to redesign the thing and make sure it's not going to explode. Think of what happened to the Just Right carbine, it was designed for 9x19, and then a few parts were swapped out for .45ACP, and components started breaking because they could no longer hold up to the strain in the original dimensions.
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The .308 bolt face would not be compatible, however depending on the similarities to a dpms ar10 bolt, dpms makes bolts that have this face demensions. If this does not have a proprietary bolt then bolts do exist. So long as the upper can take the pressure, and one can muck with the magazines to get feeding 100% the magwell will not be an issue. Basically these calibers have been run in ar10 rifles, just curious wether this one could do it. It would cover all my hunting/target needs. Either way totally awesome, great that guys like Rick are willing to develop and bring to market new nr rifles. I moved to a farm and am 40 mins from the range, this is the black rifle I have wanted for years.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
We already build a REALLY good bolt action, just not in an AR style. And frankly our bolt action rifles will always eclipse any rifle with an upper and lower design for accuracy.

To answer your question however. Not a very good chance at all, we would have to completely design an entirely new rifle, which costs money. ALOT of money especially given the miniscule market that Canada offers.

To put it into perspective for you, the Modern Hunter cost us well in excess of 75K to get just the 1st prototype functional. Since the 1st very crude prototype the investment costs have sky rocketed with now designing the final product and all the proprietary parts, then making programs and fixtures for all the parts we need to manufacture that can not be purchased elsewhere. Add to that the costs of specialized tooling that just this rifle requires. Just the 1 drill used to put the hole through the upper for the bolt to run in was nearly $2000.00 alone.
For several years now we have made AR15 style rifles and most of the tooling and all of the fixtures are totally useless for the making of this gun.

I am not complaining just simply trying to educate folks on what has actually gone into essentially re-working a 60 year old design to deal with some stupid laws. If it was cheap or easy I know there would many more shops doing this.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation.
 
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