H&k mr308a3-28

Antoine22 said:
I'll trade my slimline stock for a LMT anyday. For a $4000 rifle, I expected something better IMO. Even a Magpul CTR would be an upgrade. I don't get sucked into the HK coolaid. Don't get me wrong though, my MR223a3 is a heck of a rifle but the stock is a huge dissapointement
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To each there own. I own both the older and new variant hk stocks for 416/223 and they both are great and so is the Sopmod as well.

For the MR308 I only have the first version. I might get the stock when I get around to buying the MR308 A3 but that will be in G28 version first. I would like a 12.5 MR308 as well though.
 
Epoxy7 said:
That hand guard looks really cool. That being said, the rails are on the half closest to the receiver? Most are smooth there these days and have the rails out near the barrel end instead. Mounting bipods etc would be better further out. Again love the look but have to question it's practicality.
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The handguard is extended only for mounting therma and NV in front of the day optic. Practically, it is easier and faster to deploy and level the bipod if it is located closer to the receiver.

Those handguards with short rails at the end are cool if the only thing to be mounted is a plastic white light. For troops that need to mount lasers, separate white lights or potentially Grenada Launcher sights, it is much easier to have full length rails and have them setup up with surefire dual switches. It is also easier to carry the weapon with all the gadgets mounted closer to the receiver, instead of having a big bulb of stuff 12 inches away from the center of mass of the rifle, especially when going on a long patrol.
 
Can someone with the ownership experience comment on how tight the HK E2 stocks lock up? Yes the new slimline stock is lighter, but I love the sloped stocks like the acs and sopmod.
 
greentips said:
The handguard is extended only for mounting therma and NV in front of the day optic. Practically, it is easier and faster to deploy and level the bipod if it is located closer to the receiver.

Those handguards with short rails at the end are cool if the only thing to be mounted is a plastic white light. For troops that need to mount lasers, separate white lights or potentially Grenada Launcher sights, it is much easier to have full length rails and have them setup up with surefire dual switches. It is also easier to carry the weapon with all the gadgets mounted closer to the receiver, instead of having a big bulb of stuff 12 inches away from the center of mass of the rifle, especially when going on a long patrol.
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I understand what you are saying but something still didn't sit right about it. Yes it's better for weight balance but the trade off is it's less stable especially with multiple targets. So why the compromise?

I recalled handling a HK MR308 on a number of occasions. Heavy, awkward balancing was the impression I was left with. So further digging shows the G28 has a 16.5" barrel. The DM handguard seems to use the forward non railed section more as protection for the barrel and as a heat shield to avoid mirage with the scope. The actual railed part looks to be the same length as the patrol version.

Ultimately, this rifle has a weight issue. It makes the LMT MWS seem light and handy in comparison. So yes I see your point about why they moved everything back. But you avoided mentioning the elephant in the room was the weight issue.

That being said. I still think the G28 rail looks really cool. If going for an HK MR308 I would want that rail configuration. If for no other reason than it's cool distinct look.
 
mebiuspower said:
It's in the same weight category as the M110 SASS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_HK417
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M110_Semi-Automatic_Sniper_System
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When both are fully loaded including magazines the stats I've seen out the G28 E2 version at 17.4 pounds versus the SR25 M110 at 15.3 pounds fully loaded. 2 pounds more for a rifle with 16.5" barrel vs the M110 20" barrel? That's a pig of a rifle. The US upgrade in 2011 stipulated an empty weight (no optics etc) of 9 pounds for the M110. The empty G28 standard weights in at 12.786 pounds empty without optics. The LMT MWS 308 with 16" barrel is about 9.8 pounds empty and is considered fairly heavy. This would be the weight for the UK L129A1 model with 16" barrel. Although I have heard of them going lighter with shorter barrels. Again the LMT is a heavier firearm.

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/precision-rifles/g28/g28/technical-data.html
 
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The G28 is super heavy because it has a steel upper receiver. It is a pig.

The civilian MR308 and the regular HK417 ( G27P) have aluminum upper receivers. They are like 9 1/2 lb guns.
 
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Epoxy7 said:
When both are fully loaded including magazines the stats I've seen out the G28 E2 version at 17.4 pounds versus the SR25 M110 at 15.3 pounds fully loaded. 2 pounds more for a rifle with 16.5" barrel vs the M110 20" barrel? That's a pig of a rifle. The US upgrade in 2011 stipulated an empty weight (no optics etc) of 9 pounds for the M110. The empty G28 standard weights in at 12.786 pounds empty without optics. The LMT MWS 308 with 16" barrel is about 9.8 pounds empty and is considered fairly heavy. This would be the weight for the UK L129A1 model with 16" barrel. Although I have heard of them going lighter with shorter barrels. Again the LMT is a heavier firearm.

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/precision-rifles/g28/g28/technical-data.html
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You're talking about 2 lbs when each infantryman carry 100lbs+ worth of gear...
 
greentips said:
The G28 is super heavy because it has a steel upper receiver. It is a pig.

The civilian MR308 and the regular HK417 ( G27P) have aluminum upper receivers. They are like 9 1/2 lb guns.
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Was just reading the MR308 weight with G28 handguard off the Tactical import website. I noticed the weight difference. It's huge. The commercial version is 9.325 pounds.

My point however still stands that the reason for the new hand guard putting everything back towards the receiver instead of forward appears to have been born out of necessity since the G28 is extremely heavy.

I suspect on the MR308 version it will help make the rifle feel as though it's even lighter. A good thing. Plus it really does look cool.
 
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mebiuspower said:
You're talking about 2 lbs when each infantryman carry 100lbs+ worth of gear...
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Well that weight wouldn't have qualified the G28 for the Canadian precision competition. Nor would it make the 9 pounds requirement of the M110 update in 2011 for the US military.

I'm not a soldier but I have to think the weight requirements are there for a reason.

I also think if your HK MR308 was an extra 2 pounds like the G28 that you would be less than thrilled. By the way the current light weight 16" AR308 rifles with heavier barrels have strived for the 8.5 pound range to be used as carbines as well as DM. The LMT is considered heavy at 9.8 pounds for carbine use. With the new DPMS G2 a 16" Recon with MI handguard is hitting 8 pounds.

Don't take this the wrong way. That's a beautiful rifle you have there! I was just curious about the hand guard change which I happen to like the looks of. I think we have figured out why it is the way it is.
 
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Epoxy7 said:
Don't take this the wrong way. That's a beautiful rifle you have there! I was just curious about the hand guard change which I happen to like the looks of. I think we have figured out why it is the way it is.
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In all seriousness, the location of the rail doesn't really matter. As a sniper rifle or DMR, it comes with thermal clip on sight as part of the package. It doesn't even need to mount any light and laser on the side.
 
greentips said:
In all seriousness, the location of the rail doesn't really matter. As a sniper rifle or DMR, it comes with thermal clip on sight as part of the package. It doesn't even need to mount any light and laser on the side.
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The problem I have is the bipod location. Yes I've used bipods closer in. They aren't as stable. Good for fast deployment but not for full out accuracy work.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I'm not a soldier but I have to think the weight requirements are there for a reason.


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Precisely, you are not a soldier. So your opinion about what to carry is not important on a purpose built Mil gun like this! Clearly you are missing the difference and the criteria of why the HK MR308A3/G28 was built to fill certain needs. Its not a Recce gun like DPMS or a carbine like the LMT variant you are mentioning.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I was referring to "Canadian Army's Precision 7.62 mm Weapon Project". The competition to replace the AR10T rifles. By the way LMT won.
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LMT was not the winner of the competition & for the record it was Sig's entry designed for the CDN competition with the LaRue running a close second.

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The G28 ( the real military G28 with the steel receiver ) is made that way because of ridiculous drop test. The regular HK 417 is just fine for what it is made of. You can made a pig out of the KAC if the receiver needs to be made of steel. All the "modern military" 7.62 that are designed and actually adopted for military, including the Colt CM901, are about 9lb + , depending on the details of the accessories and rails.

I also run a older version PMS MK212, it is a 8.5 lb carbine. It is lighter because it obviously has a shorter barrel. It also uses lighter handguard design, lighter magpul furniture and it doesn't have the massive barrel nut as in the HK or the massive barrel/receiver interface like in the LMT.
 
gadget said:
LMT was not the winner of the competition & for the record it was Sig's entry designed for the CDN competition with the LaRue running a close second.

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Source of information please?

I see the MD Charlton DND invoice for $847 thousandish with regards to the tender. So it does make sense.
 
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Stoner99 said:
To each there own. I own both the older and new variant hk stocks for 416/223 and they both are great and so is the Sopmod as well.

For the MR308 I only have the first version. I might get the stock when I get around to buying the MR308 A3 but that will be in G28 version first. I would like a 12.5 MR308 as well though.
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I came across a fair deal on a never fired MR308A3-28. I remembered this thread. I've actually wanted one of these based just on the looks ever since first seeing this thread. I figured if I wanted one of the G28 looking ones I better grab it before the new look of the US model takes over, or the price continues to go up. Anyways I just received mine today.

That handguard is a bit chunky, but it just looks really cool so I'm good with it! Besides, compared to my AR10t rifles it's svelte. Anyways I'll see how it shoots, but build wise I'm impressed. It's at the top. The ambi controls are right up there with KAC if not better. The G28 stock is actually kind of neat. I like the SOPMOD a lot but this is pretty cool. Sort of a nice compromise between a carbine stock and the heavier target orientated PRS stocks. I like it.

I went with a black model. I was leaning that way as I'm not so sure about the 50 shades of FDE. As it turned out this one was in stock NIB. So the decision was made for me. If it shoots half as good as it looks, then I doubt this will be my last HK.

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