3 bad experiences - Won't be back :(

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Hi Lanz, the latest 2 strikes are that you sold me crappy .22lr saying it was better than the brand I asked for. Shot about 100 rounds and the report the rounds are making is all over the place. Some sound like squibs and others are fine. Ugly groups.

Walked into bass pro last week and noticed the same box being sold for $10 cheaper than I paid! Bass Pro!

Most recently I walked into the store to talk to somebody about buying a 22LR CZ 455. Was told by Jon to take a business card and email him my request. Ummm OK but I'm standing right here in the store isn't that enough? Oh well. Email Jon my request the next day. Wait a few days and send a poke because I never got a response. Wait a few more days with no response and decided to buy online. Bought the rifle, a cheapie scope, and a crate of S&B 7.62x39 in stripper clips.

I get the impression that unless Dave knows you personally they don't really want your business. :(
 
Hi Lanz, the latest 2 strikes are that you sold me crappy .22lr saying it was better than the brand I asked for. Shot about 100 rounds and the report the rounds are making is all over the place. Some sound like squibs and others are fine. Ugly groups.

Walked into bass pro last week and noticed the same box being sold for $10 cheaper than I paid! Bass Pro!

Most recently I walked into the store to talk to somebody about buying a 22LR CZ 455. Was told by Jon to take a business card and email him my request. Ummm OK but I'm standing right here in the store isn't that enough? Oh well. Email Jon my request the next day. Wait a few days and send a poke because I never got a response. Wait a few more days with no response and decided to buy online. Bought the rifle, a cheapie scope, and a crate of S&B 7.62x39 in stripper clips.

I get the impression that unless Dave knows you personally they don't really want your business. :(

That is unfortunate. However, have you tried contacting the vendor by any other means, to try and resolve this, prior to posting here? (other than the emails asking about the CZ455...?)

You will often find that to be the preference of not only the vendor, but of many CGN members as well. People who immediately post complaints on an open forum without attempting to either call, email or even speak to the vendor's management in person, rarely get any support. However, if you have made multiple, even exhaustive, efforts at communication, only to be ignored, you will find people both supportive and appreciative that you raised a red flag about any poor service, poor product and/or poor attempts at resolution by the vendor.

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I think the point is that if the vender is not bothering to contact you when you are trying to give him money it's not very likely he will respond when you are filing a complaint.

That is unfortunate. However, have you tried contacting the vendor by any other means, to try and resolve this, prior to posting here? (other than the emails asking about the CZ455...?)

You will often find that to be the preference of not only the vendor, but of many CGN members as well. People who immediately post complaints on an open forum without attempting to either call, email or even speak to the vendor's management in person, rarely get any support. However, if you have made multiple, even exhaustive, efforts at communication, only to be ignored, you will find people both supportive and appreciative that you raised a red flag about any poor service, poor product and/or poor attempts at resolution by the vendor.

FYI
 
I think the point is that if the vender is not bothering to contact you when you are trying to give him money it's not very likely he will respond when you are filing a complaint.

The point I was trying to make is that history has shown that CGN'ers like to know that people have made all reasonable efforts at communicating and resolving a complaint with a vendor, prior to posting about it here. Surely you are aware of this...?

I don't know who "Jon" or "Dave" are in the Lanz hierarchy, but it's one thing for a single employee to not follow up a single email asking about a rifle. It's quite another for a manager or owner to ignore multiple emails, phone calls and even in-person attempts to relay a complaint about poor customer service and faulty products. Wouldn't you agree?
 
Sorry but I would not agree with you at all, as a CEO of a few retail outlets I sympathies with the customer on this, with the amount of money we blow getting customers through the door, any staff member that treats a customer in this way, does not belong working for us, and every customer that bothers to make the effort to come to us is gold and should be treated that way, if this happened in one of our stores, heads would roll and jobs will be lost, of this I can guarantee you.
 
Sorry but I would not agree with you at all, as a CEO of a few retail outlets I sympathies with the customer on this, with the amount of money we blow getting customers through the door, any staff member that treats a customer in this way, does not belong working for us, and every customer that bothers to make the effort to come to us is gold and should be treated that way, if this happened in one of our stores, heads would roll and jobs will be lost, of this I can guarantee you.

Hang on, so you disagree that CGN'ers usually require more effort at more communication on the part of the customer before posting complaints here? (at least more than we've seen here) I don't know what to say to that, other than the history of these forums speak for themselves.

As for "the way this customer was treated"... that's if you accept the OP's story as verbatim. In my experience, there is usually 2 sides, and the truth is found somewhere in the middle. How often have we seen someone post a scathing complaint here, almost too horrible to be real, only to find out it wasn't, when the vendor had their say? [ahem... read Epps lately?]

In this case, we don't know for certain that anyone was mistreated (and if you would fire someone based on a complaint like this, I feel sorry for your staff... I certainly wouldn't want to work for you). This could all be a simple miscommunication between the OP and this employee "Jon". This is precisely why CGNer's like to see more effort at communication and resolution before a vendor's name is dragged through the mud. For the OP, he's just some guy, almost obscured in complete anonymity, but the vendor name, and thus reputation is out there for all to see.

You claim you're the CEO of some retail outlets... would you like to see your company's reputation smeared, (and employees apparently fired) over what could amount to be a baseless internet complaint? Wouldn't want more information? Wouldn't you, as management, like an opportunity to resolve the issue before having aired in public? Or do you still disagree with everything I've said?
 
Hi Lanz, the latest 2 strikes are that you sold me crappy .22lr saying it was better than the brand I asked for. Shot about 100 rounds and the report the rounds are making is all over the place. Some sound like squibs and others are fine. Ugly groups.

Walked into bass pro last week and noticed the same box being sold for $10 cheaper than I paid! Bass Pro!

Most recently I walked into the store to talk to somebody about buying a 22LR CZ 455. Was told by Jon to take a business card and email him my request. Ummm OK but I'm standing right here in the store isn't that enough? Oh well. Email Jon my request the next day. Wait a few days and send a poke because I never got a response. Wait a few more days with no response and decided to buy online. Bought the rifle, a cheapie scope, and a crate of S&B 7.62x39 in stripper clips.

I get the impression that unless Dave knows you personally they don't really want your business. :(

Where is this "business" located?
 
OK so lets do this, his biggest objection is customer mishandling, it happened 3 times, the last being and I quote

"Was told by Jon to take a business card and email him my request. Ummm OK but I'm standing right here in the store isn't that enough? Oh well. Email Jon my request the next day. Wait a few days and send a poke because I never got a response. Wait a few more days with no response"

No you are 100% wrong, he did more than due diligence to accommodate a retailer who has incompetent and lazy staff, and if you understand anything about retail code and law in Ontario, he actually would have a legal case against the retailer for all the effort he did put in to deal with him and any added costs that he may have incurred by having to go to an alternate retailer to get his needs filled.

I am not sure where you are coming from on this but every gun dealer I know would seriously reprimand a staff member for this type of behavior, and I know most of them well, bottom line if you are going to do business with the public, doing it right the first time around is always cheaper than the fix that you are going to have to deal with later.
 
Fact remains that any counter SALES person should be doing the utmost to ensure a sale(and upsell) when a customer takes the time and effort to come into a retail outlet. Especially when said customer knows exactly what they want.

Personally, if I showed up cash in hand to make a purchase and was told to send an email....
I wouldn't even bother. There are more than enough people and vendors willing to make the sale.

I have done sales both in retail and internal sales, letting a customer leave without making a sale or ensuring I have a leed was and is unacceptable. It is not nor should it ever be up to a paying customer to follow up and make multiple attempts to contact a sales person.

Ex: I just purchased a new fully loaded ram. 68k sticker price. I went to 4 different dealerships before I was able to get decent service and a sales person who wanted to make a sale.... so be it, the kid who had the job a week got the sale. I also had to send the head of sales packing as he attempted to poach the sale...

Its all about service at point of sale.
 
OK so lets do this, his biggest objection is customer mishandling, it happened 3 times, the last being and I quote

"Was told by Jon to take a business card and email him my request. Ummm OK but I'm standing right here in the store isn't that enough? Oh well. Email Jon my request the next day. Wait a few days and send a poke because I never got a response. Wait a few more days with no response"

No you are 100% wrong, he did more than due diligence to accommodate a retailer who has incompetent and lazy staff, and if you understand anything about retail code and law in Ontario, he actually would have a legal case against the retailer for all the effort he did put in to deal with him and any added costs that he may have incurred by having to go to an alternate retailer to get his needs filled.

I am not sure where you are coming from on this but every gun dealer I know would seriously reprimand a staff member for this type of behavior, and I know most of them well, bottom line if you are going to do business with the public, doing it right the first time around is always cheaper than the fix that you are going to have to deal with later.
 
OK so lets do this,

OK so lets do this,

Do we have to "do this" twice?

his biggest objection is customer mishandling, it happened 3 times,

Do we even know what the first time supposedly was? The second was his apparently being talked into buying ammo he claims he didn't want. Isn't that what sales is? The ammo cost less at Bass Pro, so they made some money... isn't that what they (and you) are in business for? I bet no one pointed a gun to his head... he chose to buy the ammo. That leaves one so-called "strike".

the last being and I quote "Was told by Jon to take a business card and email him my request. Ummm OK but I'm standing right here in the store isn't that enough? Oh well. Email Jon my request the next day. Wait a few days and send a poke because I never got a response. Wait a few more days with no response"

OK, and what are you gonna say if "Jon" comes on and says "I replied to his emails... never heard back", and then we find out the OP never checked his junk folder (or the OP doesn't reply at all). The point I'm trying to make, that you are continually and completely missing, is that stuff like this happens on here all the time. It happens in sales all the time. Your a sales CEO... surely you know this? This is why communication is sooo important, so that we're not playing judge, jury and executioner with a business's reputation (and apparently some jobs as well) based on one, single anonymous message board complaint, with no verifiable facts what-so-ever.

No you are 100% wrong,

About what?? That I think there should be more information had on this first, before passing any judgements? That it's perhaps in the best interests of all involved that the parties communicate more (or at least try to) to see if there was a misunderstanding of some type and see if perhaps a resolution can be found? Sheesh... relax.

he did more than due diligence to accommodate a retailer who has incompetent and lazy staff,

Wow. You are 100% certain of this? Based off of one anonymous complaint on an interweb message board? And you would fire your own people over something like this? Yikes! (you must be a regular at the OLRB...)

and if you understand anything about retail code and law in Ontario, he actually would have a legal case against the retailer for all the effort he did put in to deal with him and any added costs that he may have incurred by having to go to an alternate retailer to get his needs filled.

Ah, I see... now you're saying the OP should sue Lanz? lol!! (and Sunday evenings are usually so boring... )

I am not sure where you are coming from on this

If you read my comments, you'd know. I said there are 2 sides to every story. Perhaps we should wait until we hear from Lanz, before we sue them and have all their staff fired.

but every gun dealer I know would seriously reprimand a staff member for this type of behavior, and I know most of them well, bottom line if you are going to do business with the public, doing it right the first time around is always cheaper than the fix that you are going to have to deal with later.

Name one, just one, gun dealer who would fire their staff over a single, anonymous internet complaint (other than yourself, of course) and not even bother to try and communicate with the customer first, sort out what happened, see if perhaps it was a miscommunication, or any other reasonable explanation, other than just assuming the staff is "lazy", "incompetent", neglectful, etc., etc. and should be immediately terminated. ('cuz I gotta tell ya', fighting all those wrongful dismissal suits is kinda's expensive, no?)

To sum this up, do we really need to jump to any conclusions, based solely on the OP?
 
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