I bought some of these HSM .44 bear loads for the girlfriend's 12" Chiappa, but never got around to actually trying them out... She felt the regular 240 gr rounds (from the more mainstream manufacturers) were "stout" enough for her shoulder. I was busy trying the 45/70 bear loads and didn't bother with hers. I'm at work for another week but will take some of the .44s and her rifle out when I get home and post back here if that helps at all.