We need to support Maxime Bernier

[VinnyQC]

This is admittedly somewhat anecdotal, but in Vancouver, I detect no anti-French or anti-Québécois sentiment. In fact, Anglophones can't seem to get enough French. The demand for French immersion programs is massive. The wait lists are huge. And the programs are very French-Canadian. In most schools there's a student trip to Quebec every year...and then the kids from Quebec come here in exchange. I can honestly say that I've never once heard a parent or adult say negative things about Quebecers. Seriously...

Most anti-Quebec/anti-francophone sentiment is from ontario to be honest. Pretty much anyone west of North Bay mostly doesn't care about Quebec.

Back on topic: Max, or any other CPC candidate, will lose the next election. The right strategy here is to send cannon fodder in 2019, then keep your "best" candidate for 2023. At best, the next CPC leader will be a Mitt Romney; at worst, a Michael Ignatieff.

For more than one reason, I don't think maxime bernier has any chance of winning, whether we're talking about 2019 or 2023, but if I really believed he did, I would tell him to wait 2023. I believe that's what most serious contenders are doing, and that's why the current roster is so large but the picking is so slim.

I know you guys like his platform, but you have to remember that people on this board are only a few hundred, maybe a few thousands, out of tens of millions of voters. And the argument that begins with "if everyone with a PAL..." is completely unrealistic: not everyone with a PAL is a single-issue voter. Actually, most people with a PAL have no clue about firearm laws, let alone firearm policies of a party candidate. In any case, a pro-gun policy in Canada is probably more of an weight to carry around than anything else. Stephen Harper understood this, even if his base didn't all the time: shutting up about firearms, gay marriage and aborption is politically much more rewarding than the opposite. And strategy is in large part why Harper (an Albertan who barely spoke french when he first got elected btw) won 3 elections.

[MountedMadness]

You're correct regarding the considerable demand for admission into French immersion schools in BC.
But it has far less to do with latent anti-French sentiments - it has much more to do with the amount of English Second Language students in the public school system.
It's a back door method of making sure your kids have descent education in a system flooded with ESL students.
If a student cannot meet the English requirement for entry into the French immersion program - than they must go to the English only side.
Both Surrey and Richmond BC are prime examples of school districts where English speaking Canadians are seeking to avoid having their kids being immersed into an ESL environment.

[VinnyQC]

Agreed , I harbour no ill will or bad feelings at all towards the French or Quebec and don't know anyone who really does.
I actually did French (the language) as a subject in school until I graduated in grade 12. First because my mother made me but in high school by choice. I'm not a huge bilingual guy or anything but still retain the core of what I learned. I don't regret learning it at all. Also when you think about it , it was Quebec (or a lot of Quebec anyway) who wanted to separate years ago , not Canadians trying to kick you out , remember that , don't know where this victimization came from.
Not trying to start stuff or derail , just throwing it out there.

No need to look that far, just check post #616.

A lot of people including me are tired of the quebecois tail wagging the dog and would have expressed that opinion at the polls in 2019.
O'leary was from montreal but he wasn't a quebecois.

I wish o'leary had stuck to his guns so to speak and stayed in the race.
10 years under harper (a non quebecois pm) was refreshing.

Being a quebecois as a prerequisite to being pm?
No thanks.

Or, let's look at the begginnin of this thread, to a post by hatman1793, located in the nice town of "No more Prime Ministers from Quebec!".

It appears to me that there is not a standout conservative candidate in the pack. Some have a few conservative platforms but most if not all have liberal-socialist weak spots. Like supply management, corporate subsidies, etc
Bernier has some good ideas but electing a conservative leader from Quebecistan carries too much baggage. Max's problem is that we could not get him to end the Bilingual Commission and all the French crap taxpayers in the non-Quebec provinces must shoulder. We could not rely on him to end all Quebeckistan corporate welfare. Harper proved that a conservative government can obtain majority power without Quebeckistan.
Harper had 6 years in majority government to fix our problems, especially regarding firearms. He blew it and then lost.

Yes, cause, of course, Quebecers don't pay taxes, and the #1 corporate welfare industry of all, the auto-industry, is obviously located in Quebec, not Ontario. And even more obvious, Quebec and Afghanistan are the same place (or is Quebeckistan supposed to remind a word play on Pakistan? Kazakstan?).

Let's not just count the amount of people on this very thread who say they'd vote for Bernier if he wasn't from Quebec. Cause, you know, going with place of birth instead of policy screams of rationality!


Anyway, I'm done with this subject. I'll leave the final words of wisdom to this guy, who makes more sense than just about anyone:

I will vote for the PC candidate that has the best chance of winning election - not sure who that is?

[bcbravo2zero]

No need to look that far, just check post #616.



Or, let's look at the begginnin of this thread, to a post by hatman1793, located in the nice town of "No more Prime Ministers from Quebec!".



Yes, cause, of course, Quebecers don't pay taxes, and the #1 corporate welfare industry of all, the auto-industry, is obviously located in Quebec, not Ontario. And even more obvious, Quebec and Afghanistan are the same place (or is Quebeckistan supposed to remind a word play on Pakistan? Kazakstan?).

Let's not just count the amount of people on this very thread who say they'd vote for Bernier if he wasn't from Quebec. Cause, you know, going with place of birth instead of policy screams of rationality!


Anyway, I'm done with this subject. I'll leave the final words of wisdom to this guy, who makes more sense than just about anyone:

#1 - I have continually expressed the view that what is most important is beating JT in 2019...and that I'm unsure who can achieve that.

#2 - I take your point about some anti-Quebec sentiment in our country, unfortunately. But it's a tiny minority here at CGN, so a few snarky posts are not weighty evidence of a general antipathy towards French Canadians. Bernier seems like a dapper and likeable fellow. I don't believe BC'erswill dislike him b/c he's Québécois.

#3 - Yes, French immersion is "poor man's private school" and a way to get away from schools full,of ESL and special needs kids...but most of us just want our kids to learn French. Not Spanish or German or even Mandarin. French. Because it's one of our country's languages, and an incredible opportunity to learn.

#4 - I'm not sure why you're so pissed off. Sacré bleu!

[DT741]

I'm not a Quebecer, I'm a Canadian, living in Quebec. And I have been voting conservative since I have been able to vote.

[savagefan]

^ Good on ya mate.

[Mr Fish]

Un lieu ne fait pas son habitant

[Doug The Canuck]

I think Bubble Brain JT will self destruct if left to his own devises.

If he ever listened to himself speak, he's never say another word, because he makes absolutely no sense at all.

[win94luver]

O'leary dropped out because it was assumed that he was unacceptable to quebec.
But bernier is OK despite the fact that he is a virtual unknown in all the other provinces.

It's obvious that quebec 'owns' this country and canadians are locked into an appease and please quebec mindset.
The tail wagging the dog that has been the case for decades.

Tough gun laws were legislated to appease and please quebec and will never be repealed for the same reason.
Look at the fuss and supreme court case after c19.

C19 proved that the rest of canada could reverse the trend if the political leadership and will could be found to do so.
It took a non quebecois pm to carry the day with c19.

It's clear that a vote for a quebecois pm is a vote for gun control.
c51 (1970s) - trudeau sr (from quebec), c17 - mulroney (from quebec), c68 chretien (from quebec)

Bernier is quebecois and will NOT repeal the firearms act or any major part of it if elected pm in 2019.
A little tinkering might happen maybe but the c68 firearms act will remain largely intact under a bernier government.

[win94luver]

non quebecois = political non starter so don't bother running

Even a smart guy (with enough behind the scenes convincing by pq appeasers in the cpc) like kevin o'leary fell for it.

I say to that.

Canada needs to be for all canadians not just quebec despite the fact that quebec tantrums like a spoiled child if it doesn't get its way (which is very seldom).