U.n. Firearms marking regulations

[Cameron SS]

I seriously doubt it, and if it was you just alerted the whole world to it, way to go! Sorry not meaning to s--- on your good intention, but this forum, especially my page is very closely watched by the RCMP. Never underestimate your opponent or give away possible useful intelligence. The last Government were not our friends, the current Government is even worse, why should they be concerned with the inconvieance or expenses to us when we are so ignorant and divided. The time for one strong united voice is long overdue.

To be fair, if even 50% of gun owners filed applications asserting their guns were unusually high value or thatthere was no surface suitable for the markings required, the application burden would cause system failure quite quickly.

[Rstjean]

Email sent.

[rkm456]

The best thing we can do is buy PC memberships and vote in a leader for that party who has a sensible idea about gun control.... Maxime so far seems promising... only 3 more years of liberal tyranny haha

Luckily it's more like 1.5 years. Once we're into late 2018/2019 it turns into the 2019 election.

[Mr Wolverine]

To be fair, if even 50% of gun owners filed applications asserting their guns were unusually high value or thatthere was no surface suitable for the markings required, the application burden would cause system failure quite quickly.

Let's be clear guns imported prior to 1st June 2017 do not require import markings.

It is not written into the regulations who decides what makes a gun rare or what is a high value, or what standard or criteria is used to make this determination and I believe that this only means the gun can then be stamped discreetly, she still has to be stamped.

The regulation says we have 60 days to apply the UN marking, it fails to say how long the Government can take in approving if your gun is of high value or rarity, what happens at the end of 60 days if you don't have an answer? I presume she has to be marked then to avoid been charged?

As I have said before this has not been planned in a practical manner.

[mildot]

Not trying to pick a fight here, but this is open to interpretation of a section in the Customs Act, 2(1) I think, and the legal interpretation I have been given is that the marking has to be applied with in 60 days after leaving CBSA. It has been said that CBSA will be responsible to enforce this, well that is news to me, no one in Government has been able to advise the CSAAA who will enforce that the marking is carried out to the correct standard. What if you are found in possession of a gun that has not been marked correctly? Would you be charged?

Good point, CBSA has little or no power once something leaves the border, they don't have the manpower or the funding to ever attempt this, I'm guessing it will/would be the RCMP, but that's just my opinion. If CBSA were to take it on??? it would mean amending the Custom's act along with the Criminal code IMO.

[captainamazing]

can we do the markings in .000000001 font size and put it under a grip panel?

[GreenBob]

done.

[Cbf123]

I have not spoken to CBSA, the UN marking regulation states the following:
The markings must be made before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
The legal opinion given to the CSAAA on section 2(1) was that this meant the marking had to be applied after release from Customs, if ( and it is a big if) this opinion is correct how can Customs be responsible for enforcing something up 60 days after they have released it. If we were allowed to have the manufacture or exporter apply the UN marking then yes it would make sense for Customs to confirm correct marking, but to what purpose as if they were not correctly marked, so what, we have 60 days to comply. The whole plan has not been thought through in a practical or logical manner.
You are guilty of applying common sense and logical thinking to this matter, however I have to agree with your conclusion: the spirit of the rule which is to identify the country of importation as well as the date of import. With this in mind, I cannot see why it matters who and when the markings are applied as long as they are there within 60 days of importation.

A while back I contacted the authorities about this and was told that the Canadian markings could be stamped by the manufacturer prior to entering Canada. I could try to dig that up, if you're interested...

[Mr Wolverine]

A while back I contacted the authorities about this and was told that the Canadian markings could be stamped by the manufacturer prior to entering Canada. I could try to dig that up, if you're interested...

Yes please, that would be interesting to see. If the manufacture could apply the marking it would ease the situation with some manufactures and models.

[MustangFrank]

I'm not a dealer, but now my curiosity and desire for actual facts has inspired me to send a letter to the office of Mr. Goodale. He is still responsible for Ministry of Public Safety under which this mandate will fall. He can then delegate someone to provide the proper answer. I don't think it is prudent to depend on internet hearsay or the gun orgs to provide an opinion when the actual governing body can provide the correct information.