Modern Varmint in 6.5 Grendel MAY 11 UPDATE

Uisge said:
It's known to have people ram a mag full of 300 black into a 223 upper, which causes a setback, especially with subsonics as the case is practically empty, which is very catastrophic.
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So because there are stupid people out there that do stupid things and blow up a rifle it is the cartridge that is to blame? Sorry, I guess they need to make firearms more idiot proof.

Loading 300BLK into a 223 is 100% user error and therefore not a problem with the cartridge at all.

yohann160 said:
Let us not get bogged down with facts there, CR5. 300 blackout is a very complicated case; it's got a lot of in's, a lot of out's, and a lot of what-have-you's.
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Yes, this is CGN after all, let's not let facts get in the way of anything.
Guess we better get rid of 308win since someone might try to stuff one into a 7-08 which wouldn't turn out so well.

Some call it complicated, some call it versatile.


m39a2 said:
6.5 Grendel is an outstanding cartridge, it is simply a pleasure to shoot and stays sonic past 1200 yards. It is a great choice for the AR platform and with a non restricted AR type rifle I expect the supply of Grendel ammo and brass should increase substantially in the coming months!

Scott
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I'm going to have to look a little closer at the cartridge, sounds better than I thought it was.


yohann160 said:
What about a 6 pound semi auto that can harvest deer?
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How much does an SKS weigh? Lol.
 
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Johnny_Canuck said:
Discussed the "Modern Magnum" semi belted mag with the ATRS boys at the Calgary Gunshow. Long story short. Not happening.
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Funny how as soon as a rifle is available to us so many people want it changed. Not sure why so few can just be happy with a product the way it was designed. We have so few quality non restricted semi auto rifles available to us and as soon as there is a new one so many people want it in a different caliber.
The magnums are a different story since It's a completely different rifle but for rifles like the MV or MH why don't people just do what we've been doing for years with AR's. If you want another caliber swap in a new barrel and see how it goes, plenty of 20 inch barrels available for AR-15's and AR-10's.
The MH is available in a few great chamberings which should cover just about any desired use out there and for the MV, 223 is an excellent varminting cartridge and with 6.5 grendel on the way pretty much all bases are covered.

It would be pretty cool to have one in 300mag but at the same time what for. If you are a good enough marksman the 308 will take you to 800-1000 yards and if people have actually tried shooting semi auto's accurately at long range they would know that it's not easy to be consistent with a semi so the extra reach available from a magnum would be hard to utilize. Just look at all the complaints from guys saying the 308 is not accurate, most people can't shoot well enough to be consistent at 100yds, what do you think we're going to hear if there was one in 300win.
 
cr5 said:
Funny how as soon as a rifle is available to us so many people want it changed. Not sure why so few can just be happy with a product the way it was designed. We have so few quality non restricted semi auto rifles available to us and as soon as there is a new one so many people want it in a different caliber.
The magnums are a different story since It's a completely different rifle but for rifles like the MV or MH why don't people just do what we've been doing for years with AR's. If you want another caliber swap in a new barrel and see how it goes, plenty of 20 inch barrels available for AR-15's and AR-10's.
The MH is available in a few great chamberings which should cover just about any desired use out there and for the MV, 223 is an excellent varminting cartridge and with 6.5 grendel on the way pretty much all bases are covered.

It would be pretty cool to have one in 300mag but at the same time what for. If you are a good enough marksman the 308 will take you to 800-1000 yards and if people have actually tried shooting semi auto's accurately at long range they would know that it's not easy to be consistent with a semi so the extra reach available from a magnum would be hard to utilize. Just look at all the complaints from guys saying the 308 is not accurate, most people can't shoot well enough to be consistent at 100yds, what do you think we're going to hear if there was one in 300win.
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Agreed. The only other caliber I would have hoped for from the very beginning was a 6.5 Grendel. There really aren't that many options for that caliber in a non restricted gun in Canada. Also, giving us a 6.5 Grendel opens up lots of new options for trying your own chambering.
 
ianfroese said:
Agreed. The only other caliber I would have hoped for from the very beginning was a 6.5 Grendel. There really aren't that many options for that caliber in a non restricted gun in Canada. Also, giving us a 6.5 Grendel opens up lots of new options for trying your own chambering.
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True, once 6.5 is out all the goofballs that want to run 7.62x39 through their $4000-$5000 precision rifle can swap in a new barrel, void their warranty and watch it shoot groups like a $260 SKS then complain about it.
 
cr5 said:
True, once 6.5 is out all the goofballs that want to run 7.62x39 through their $4000-$5000 precision rifle can swap in a new barrel, void their warranty and watch it shoot groups like a $260 SKS then complain about it.
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Considering that the bolts are also different I can see this happening and owners will scream bloody murder towards ATRS.
 
Sqr said:
Considering that the bolts are also different I can see this happening and owners will scream bloody murder towards ATRS.
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I thought grendel and x39 used same bolt face?


xdmer said:
^ then they should rightly be told to PFO, one would think that would be understood up front. Are people really that dumb if they're buying a premium rifle?
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Short answer, YES.

Rick told me about a guy who came in having problems with his MH, turns out he was using 80/90 weight gear oil and had filled the buffer tube with oil then wondered why it hydraulic'd and wouldn't work any more. That would have been messy with that oil squirting out the buffer vent and anywhere else it could go. A whole new interpretation of the saying run it wet, lol.
I've never understood why people are so cheap, how much is a bottle of gun oil? $10? Lasts at least a year but still try to use automotive lubricants to save a couple dollars.

Then there are the guys who try to mess with the trigger, end up screwing it up then come in saying it just quit working even though a quick look and it's obvious they f'd it up.

People are lucky ATRS is so understanding, if it was my company and people came in with the crap they do claiming it is manufacturer defect even though it's obvious they messed with it I would be telling them to F off and fix it themselves.

I guess ATRS has three lowers that were ruined by the owners f'ing around with them.
 
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cr5 said:
I thought grendel and x39 used same bolt.
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They have a different bolt face depth which essentially changes the headspacing of the case in the chamber. They have a .135/136" recess to the face. They will not work with the 7.62x39 barrels that require the standard .125" recess. Also there are other complication between type I and type II bolts. If a builder is not careful it can become dangerous.

They are not interchangeable.
 
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I can't wait forever to get a 6.5 Grendel so it time to get my MV sent as deer season opens Jun 1
If you need sumone to filed test 6.5 Grendel properly you got my info Haahaa
 
carverk said:
I can't wait forever to get a 6.5 Grendel so it time to get my MV sent as deer season opens Jun 1
If you need sumone to filed test 6.5 Grendel properly you got my info Haahaa
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How long is the season open for over there? Send me an email at info@albertatacticalrifle.com and we can talk. Little pygmy deer might be fun.

Looks like I should be concluding testing on Sunday, if everything goes as planned. Hopefully we'll have some good news on Monday.
 
ATRS Shaun said:
How long is the season open for over there? Send me an email at info@albertatacticalrifle.com and we can talk. Little pygmy deer might be fun.

Looks like I should be concluding testing on Sunday, if everything goes as planned. Hopefully we'll have some good news on Monday.
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Do you have a price estimate on a upper only? Since this might be a complementary upper to some it would be nice to have it as an option to have it with simply a fortis barrel nut and let us use that switch fonction on our rail?
 
ATRS Shaun said:
How long is the season open for over there? Send me an email at info@albertatacticalrifle.com and we can talk. Little pygmy deer might be fun.

Looks like I should be concluding testing on Sunday, if everything goes as planned. Hopefully we'll have some good news on Monday.
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Jun 1 2017 to February 30 2018 I think it's a out 8 months
I can work on a guess hunt if you wanted to run the MV and MH test properly hunting and not shooting paper
I would hunt everything with 6.5 Grendel except Buffalo
The only thing I did not like about the MH is the weight for my style of hunting but the MV is quit abit lighter and will work out just right for a guy that like to hunt on foot
 
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Sqr said:
They have a different bolt face depth which essentially changes the headspacing of the case in the chamber. They have a .135/136" recess to the face. They will not work with the 7.62x39 barrels that require the standard .125" recess. Also there are other complication between type I and type II bolts. If a builder is not careful it can become dangerous.

They are not interchangeable.
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Interesting. I learn something new every day.
 
rally guy said:
Do you have a price estimate on a upper only? Since this might be a complementary upper to some it would be nice to have it as an option to have it with simply a fortis barrel nut and let us use that switch fonction on our rail?
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Nothing finalized, but a basic second upper (no bcg) for a modern hunter is 2k. The varmint in 6.5 Grendel however requires an extra bolt face, we're using the jp enhanced ones so the price may be slightly higher, but around that same area I would expect.

We can't seem to obtain just the Fortis barrel nuts... If someone has a secret stash let me know, but it's not the first time I've been asked either :-/ seemed strange to me that for a "switch" handguard they wouldn't sell us the hand guards or barrel nuts separately.
 
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