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  • The M3 Grease Gun

    20 3.36%
  • The Sterling MKV

    60 10.07%
  • The UZI

    74 12.42%
  • The Kriss Vector

    59 9.90%
  • The Thompson

    206 34.56%
  • The Scorpion EVO

    76 12.75%
  • The B&T APC9

    44 7.38%
  • The Angstadt UDP-9

    21 3.52%
  • Other....

    71 11.91%
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Thread: Battle of the Ages

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    Cool Battle of the Ages

    So a while ago we did a thread about some Behemoth rifles and had a poll along with it, I thought since there has been a few new pistol caliber carbines introduced into the market in the last few years maybe we should see what everyone is favouring these days. Of course you cannot forget about the guns of yester year, cause they are pretty unforgettable and honestly they are just to cool to leave out. So check it out below! What do you think is the best, and why do you think that? Not everything has made the list and there are some listed at the bottom for honorable mentions of course.

    The M3 "Grease" Gun

    The M3 was an American .45-caliber submachine gun adopted for U.S. Army service on 12 December 1942, as the United States Submachine Gun, Cal. .45, M3. The M3 was chambered for the same .45 round fired by the Thompson submachine gun, but was cheaper to produce, and lighter, although, contrary to popular belief, it was far less accurate. This myth stems from a US army training film portraying the M3 as more accurate than its counterparts. The M3 was commonly referred to as the "Grease Gun" or simply "the Greaser," owing to its visual similarity to the mechanic's tool.

    Intended as a replacement for the .45-caliber Thompson series of submachine guns, the M3 began to replace the Thompson in first-line service in mid-1944. Due to delays caused by production issues and approved specification changes, the M3 saw limited combat use in World War II and the M3A1 none. The M3A1 was used in the Korean War and later conflicts.


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    The Sterling Sub Machine Gun

    The Sterling submachine gun is a British submachine gun. It was tested with the British Army in 1944–1945 as a replacement for the Sten but it did not start to replace it until 1953. It remained in use until 1994, when it was phased out as the L85A1 assault rifle was phased in. The Sterling submachine gun is constructed entirely of steel and plastic and has a shoulder stock, which folds underneath the weapon. There is an adjustable rear-sight, which can be flipped between 100 and 200 yard settings. Although of conventional blowback design firing from an open bolt, there are some unusual features: for example, the bolt has helical grooves cut into the surface to remove dirt and fouling from the inside of the receiver to increase reliability. There are two concentric recoil springs which cycle the bolt, as opposed to the single spring arrangement used by many other SMG designs. This double-spring arrangement significantly reduces "bolt-bounce" when cartridges are chambered, resulting in better obturation, smoother recoil and increased accuracy. Additionally, the Sterling uses a much-improved (over the Sten) 34-round curved double-column feed box magazine, which is inserted into the left side of the receiver. The magazine follower, which pushes the cartridges into the feed port, is equipped with rollers to reduce friction. The bolt feeds ammunition alternately from the top and bottom of the magazine lips, and its fixed firing pin is designed so that it does not line up with the primer in the cartridge until the cartridge has entered the chamber.



    The MP40 Sub Machine Gun


    The MP 40 (Maschinenpistole 40) was a submachine gun chambered for the 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge. It was developed in Nazi Germany and used extensively by the Axis powers during the Second World War.

    Designed in 1938 by Heinrich Vollmer with inspiration from its predecessor the MP 38, it was heavily used by infantrymen, paratroopers, platoon and squad leaders on the Eastern and Western Front. Its advanced and modern features made it a favourite among soldiers and popular in countries from various parts of the world after the war. It was often erroneously called "Schmeisser" by the Allies, despite Hugo Schmeisser's non-involvement in the weapon's design and production. From 1940 to 1945, an estimated 1.1 million were produced by Erma Werke.



    The UZI Sub Machine Gun

    The Uzi is a family of Israeli open-bolt, blowback-operated submachine guns. Smaller variants are considered to be machine pistols. The Uzi was one of the first weapons to use a telescoping bolt design which allows the magazine to be housed in the pistol grip for a shorter weapon.

    The first Uzi submachine gun was designed by Major Uziel Gal in the late 1940s. The prototype was finished in 1950. First introduced to IDF special forces in 1954, the weapon was placed into general issue two years later. The Uzi has found use as a personal defense weapon by rear-echelon troops, officers, artillery troops and tankers, as well as a frontline weapon by elite light infantry assault forces.

    The Uzi has been exported to over 90 countries. Over its service lifetime, it has been manufactured by Israel Military Industries, FN Herstal, and other manufacturers. From the 1960s through the 1980s, more Uzi submachine guns were sold to more military, law enforcement and security markets than any other submachine gun ever made.



    The Kriss Vector

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    The KRISS Vector series is a family of weapons based upon the parent submachine gun design developed by KRISS USA, formerly Transformational Defense Industries (TDI). They use an unconventional delayed blowback system combined with in-line design to reduce perceived recoil and muzzle climb.

    The Vector's action, the KRISS Super V System (KSVS), is an articulated mechanism which allows the bolt and an inertia block to move downward into a recess behind the magazine well. The theory is that at the end of this travel, energy is transmitted downward rather than rearward, reducing felt recoil.

    .22 LR, .40 S&W and 9×19mm Parabellum variants were mentioned when the gun was first released. Gen 2 variants with multiple design changes including a new 9mm variant were confirmed at the 2015 SHOT show, though the .22LR version has yet to materialise. The original Vector was designed to accept standard Glock 21 pistol magazines; a special "MagEx 30" kit was available to convert a factory 13-round .45 ACP Glock magazine to an extended high-capacity version, though this is now marketed as a "25+" round kit. The newer 9×19mm versions instead use standard Glock 17 magazines.

    When fired, the barrel axis is in line with the shoulder as in the M16 rifle, but also in line with the shooter's hand. This is intended to reduce muzzle climb when combined with the off-axis bolt travel.



    The Thompson Sub Machine Gun


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    The Thompson submachine gun is an American submachine gun, invented by John T. Thompson in 1918, that became infamous during the Prohibition era. It was a common sight in the media of the time, being used by both law enforcement officers and criminals. The Thompson submachine gun was also known informally as the "Tommy Gun", "Annihilator", "Chicago Typewriter", "Chicago Piano", "Chicago Style", "Chicago Organ Grinder", "Trench Broom", "Trench Sweeper", "The Chopper", and simply "The Thompson".

    The Thompson was favored by soldiers, criminals, police, and civilians alike for its large .45 ACP cartridge, accuracy, and high volume of automatic fire. It has since gained popularity among civilian collectors for its historical significance. It has had, and continues to have, considerable significance in popular culture, especially in works about the U.S.'s Prohibition era and World War II, and hence is among the best-known firearms in recent history. Although the original fully automatic Thompsons are no longer produced, numerous semi-automatic civilian versions are still being manufactured by Auto Ordnance. These retain a similar appearance to the original models, but they have various modifications in order to comply with US firearm laws.





    The CZ Scorpion Evo

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    The Scorpion EVO 3 is a 9mm submachine gun manufactured by Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod in either select-fire A1 or semi-automatic S1 variants. The EVO 3 designation denotes that the firearm is a third generation of CZ's line of small submachine guns started by the Škorpion vz. 61.

    Despite the name, it is mechanically unrelated to the Škorpion/Skorpion vz. 61.

    The Skorpion Evo 3 evolved from a Slovak prototype submachine gun called the Laugo.Chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum, the Scorpion EVO 3 is a lightweight, compact submachine gun designed to be easily maneuvered in constrained spaces. The A1 variant features a select fire switch, giving the operator the choice of "safe", semi-automatic, three-round burst, or fully automatic fire, while the S1's switch only features "safe" and semi-automatic fire. The standard version comes equipped with a folding, adjustable and fully removable stock for easy transport. The hand guard is lined with multiple Picatinny rails for the addition of attachments such as grips, sights, flashlights, and lasers.



    The Brugger & Thomet APC9

    The Brügger & Thomet APC9 (Advanced Police Carbine 9mm) is a submachine gun produced and manufactured by Brügger & Thomet of Switzerland. Announced in 2011, the weapon uses standard 9×19mm and .45 ACP rounds. The APC9 is offered in several different variants. The standard variant with a barrel length of 175mm (≈ 7 inches) and a polymer stock very similar to an H&K UMP's which folds to the right side, the assault variant with an adjustable B & T Foldable Visor Helmet stock and the carbine variant with a 406mm (16 inch) barrel for the civilian market.

    APC uses straight blowback function. It fires from the closed bolt and features a bolt lock-back mechanism thus facilitating quick reloads. This overcomes one of the major issues with the H&K MP5 family of weapons, which do not have a bolt lock-back mechanism (though H&K's UMP series does).

    The trigger mechanism for the semi-automatic version of the APC is adapted from the AR-15 family, which allows greater versatility for after-market accessories/changes. All controls are ambidextrous and the charging handle can be switched to either side like the Beretta ARX-160. After firing the last bullet, the bolt is held in the rear position by a latch.

    The weapon comes complete with an Aimpoint TL1 Optic, single point sling, cleaning kit and quick detachable vertical handgrip. The top of the weapon has an aluminum NAR (NATO Accessory Rail) integrated into the top receiver. There are NAR rails on the 3, 6 and 9 o’clock positions. The lower rail is machined aluminum while the lateral rails are made of the same polymer material as the trigger housing. The reason for this is that it is more likely that the rail in the 6 o’clock position will be used with a sighting device such as a laser, whereas the side rails will probably be used of illumination devices which do not require maintaining zero.



    The Angstadt UDP-9

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    The UDP-9 is a closed bolt, blowback operated system driven by our 9mm bolt carrier group and fed with standard GLOCK® 9mm magazines. To maximize training efficiency and minimize the learning curve, the UDP-9 utilizes a standard AR-15 fire control group and is compatible with most all aftermarket AR-15 Mil-Spec components.
    For those that carry a GLOCK® 9mm, backup comes standard without the need to carry alternate magazines and ammunition cartridges. The UDP-9 is crafted from 7075-T6 aerospace billet aluminum to be lighter and stronger.The compact size of the UDP-9 makes it ideal for home defense, security detail, law enforcement and anywhere space is at a premium.





    Of course there will be some mentions such as the following:

    Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine -> https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Pr...-Barrel--Black


    TNW Aero Survival Rifle -> backordered



    Thureon Defense Carbine -> backordered


    FN P90 PDW -> Honorable Mention


    Heckler & Koch MP5 -> Honorable Mention



    Sig Sauer MPX -> backordered


    EMF Just Right Carbine -> https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Pr...=EMF%20COMPANY


    Brugger & Thomet TP9 -> https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Se...RER=B%26T%20AG


    And many many more...... -> https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Pr...R=9mm%20(9x19)

    And many many more...... -> https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Pr...IBER=.45%20ACP
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    No P90? Seriously?

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    Voted other real MP5, I love that gun, versatile, super quiet suppressed, single, bust, full auto at a flip of a switch. Minimal over penetration, shares pistol ammo and it's just bad assery. I know they are band by name here but if you get a chance when at a range or in the states to fire one you won't be disappointed.
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    WWII era - MP40
    Post War- Carl Gustav Swedish K
    Modern Era - MP5/UMP

    Deactivated guns make me sad.

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    super interesting as always, thank you for sharing a little bit of history and knowlege with us.
    is the B&t APC9 available in a restricted version? can i order one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by batwing View Post
    super interesting as always, thank you for sharing a little bit of history and knowlege with us.
    is the B&t APC9 available in a restricted version? can i order one?
    Not quite yet, but this is something that we have been working on for some time. Once they are available we will for sure be letting the world know it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose762 View Post
    No P90? Seriously?
    +1!
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    After shooting an Uzi and a Thompson I was in love.

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    The FN P90 has now been added as an honourable mention, as well as the MP5!
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