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    Minimalist hell if it was ugly like a ar7 used glock mags and was reasonably priced I'd buy one
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    I'm missing the point

    I look at the competition, which to me is:

    Low End: 9mm
    Hack round in rifle so:
    • Chippa M1 in 9mm (Beretta 92 Mags) $500 - cheap and rugged
    • Keltec sub2000 (Glock and allegedly other Mags) $750 - folds and weighs 4.5lbs


    High End: 357
    Good-ish rifle cartridge with lots and lots of ammunition choices. People hunt with them. A lever gun can handle downloaded 38 special to hot rifle rounds, without tuning. So...

    • Marlin 336BL $650
    • Henry Big Boy $1050 (both current Cabelas price)

    And a revolver for the range (there are pistols and mares legs too).

    What does this proposed $1400 PPC bring to the table that the existing (cheaper) alternatives don't?

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    Sounds interesting.

    Don't care, for most of the questions.

    For Q5, as long as the weight is reasonable, it is more about the balance of the AR with it's rear buffer that is unique (better) than most semi.

    For Q8, the important factor with a NR barrel is that it has to be long enough so the long barrel doesn't look ridiculous.

    For price, lower the better.

    Apart from that, a few things are important:
    Reliability
    Accuracy
    Parts availability
    AR trigger compatibility
    Glock mags
    Optics ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by whimsy View Post
    I look at the competition, which to me is:

    Low End: 9mm
    Hack round in rifle so:
    • Chippa M1 in 9mm (Beretta 92 Mags) $500 - cheap and rugged
    • Keltec sub2000 (Glock and allegedly other Mags) $750 - folds and weighs 4.5lbs


    High End: 357
    Good-ish rifle cartridge with lots and lots of ammunition choices. People hunt with them. A lever gun can handle downloaded 38 special to hot rifle rounds, without tuning. So...

    • Marlin 336BL $650
    • Henry Big Boy $1050 (both current Cabelas price)

    And a revolver for the range (there are pistols and mares legs too).

    What does this proposed $1400 PPC bring to the table that the existing (cheaper) alternatives don't?
    I have to argue that 9mm is a good round for what this gun is intended for(well what I intend to do with it anyways) which is just some non restricted fun plinking or maybe some very small game?

    I'm running a 5" barrel 9mm AR right now that I absolutely love,it's fun(10 round mags) and it's cheap to shoot,only drag is its restricted so it's a range toy.

    I've used that thing at 50 meters and was more accurate then I would have thought possible given its short barrel and 9mm ammo.
    Granted I know 9mm is not the ideal calibre for an 18.5" barrel,but considering that we have to stick to that length,and anything bigger then 9mm is pretty costly(to the point where I'd just shoot .223 ) I think 9mm is the ideal candidate here.

    As far as the actual gun,some people just don't want a lever action or what's already available,I dabble in a bit of Milsurp and I love a good lever action,but my main Interest is black rifles,or "modern sporting rifles" so I'm very interested in a NR carbine that looks at home right next to my AR's and currently what's available in that market is pretty underwhelming,


    Currently competitors for this market are:
    -Jr carbine,kinda cheaply built ,not very easy to work on,and from what I've seen not really all that reliable
    -Thureon defense PCC's ,similar idea as the Jr,but much better fit and finish and nicer quality.
    -cz scorpion,no 10 round mags,has to have an aftermarket barrel fitted to be NR
    -sig MPX ,same issue as the CZ.
    -keltecs....well,they still haven't quite figured out the QC issues
    -x95 in 9mm,only downside to this is cost and the mags are 5 rounds (mostly)
    -kriss vector...that giant phoney suppressor is horrible.
    -cx4 storm,honestly my only gripe is the mags
    It's not that I'm new to this....I'm just an idiot...

    Once Proud member of the NFA.now disgruntled and disillusioned and confused.

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    forgot the ASR and BRS 99
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    or the Kriss Vector at 1900... a 1400 PCC would slot in nicely
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    What I probably should have asked is:

    Is this supposed to be a FUN GUN or a SERIOUS RIFLE?

    As a fun gun, it seems overkill. As a serious rifle, I think the cailbers will let it down.

    The justifications for PCCs are more limited in Canada than the US, and as such I'm confused.

    (But US justifications do appy to CDN police. It'd be great if it were sold to the RCMP, because every rural RCMP car should come equipt with headlights and some kind of rifle.)

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    10mm is a great idea, but srsly, 7.62x25 would be wild!
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    Already did the Facebook poll. Nice looking firearm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got Juice? View Post
    or the Kriss Vector at 1900... a 1400 PCC would slot in nicely
    Thureon Defense. $1200-1400.
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