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    Quote Originally Posted by ChefBoyOhBoy View Post
    The magazines appear to be stamped that per the photos.
    The way I read the bulletin is the 10 round capacity is the magazine capacity as a whole... not 30 pinned to 10. Just make sure anyone pressing buy does their research... not one Canadian business has anything like these... you would think they'd have jumped all over these... no?

    If originally manufactured as a 30 round pistol magazine... why would it be stamped "10 round capacity"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_1982 View Post
    The way I read the bulletin is the 10 round capacity is the magazine capacity as a whole... not 30 pinned to 10. Just make sure anyone pressing buy does their research... not one Canadian business has anything like these... you would think they'd have jumped all over these... no?

    If originally manufactured as a 30 round pistol magazine... why would it be stamped "10 round capacity"?
    Excellent point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_1982 View Post
    The way I read the bulletin is the 10 round capacity is the magazine capacity as a whole... not 30 pinned to 10. Just make sure anyone pressing buy does their research... not one Canadian business has anything like these... you would think they'd have jumped all over these... no?

    If originally manufactured as a 30 round pistol magazine... why would it be stamped "10 round capacity"?
    Also the AT15 mags by ATRS were not pinned. They were long bodied and manufactured for a max capacity of 10 rounds only. Internal mag body features enabled it to hold only 10 rounds only. They were designed for AT15 pistol. The ones Zahal is selling are just plane Jane USGI pinned to 10. This is really an unfortunate situation. Buyers beware this is not worth the risk of getting charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahal.org View Post
    These magazines are not “crayon” they are being produced by an established manufacturer for a specific firearm.
    They might as well be, because the legal precedent you're citing isn't written in pencil nor is it open to broad interpretation. The Beowulf magazines (incidentally, also manufactured by another Israeli company) have also been prohibited as the SFSS deemed them a modification of a standard AR15 magazine. So guaranteed if simply stamping those "Beowulf" didn't fly that rest assured stamping them "LAR15" sure as heck won't either.

    In the event that there is any CBSA issue, we refund the customer and the item is seized. Unfortunately we have experience with this, and no charges were laid. Many years ago a gentleman ordered a CZ-858 full capacity drum magazine which the Czech office willingly shipped, an event which prompted us to learn more about the Canadian market and laws.
    What arrogance! Will you also be providing free legal counsel and compensation to anyone charged? Because CSBA also works with LE to make arrests when prohibited magazines are picked up or delivered to the customer. Or did your vast forray into the Canadian legal system neglect to uncover this insignificant aspect?

    In addition, when your cavalier attitude forces a SFSS re-review of the LAR15 pistol magazine and gets it prohibited at greater than 5 rounds - will you again so smugly feign ignorance?

    You're playing with fire - and Canadian gun owners are going to end up burned.
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    So how does one explain 30rd pinned glock magazines that can be used in both a pistol and non-restricted rifles?
    Prost!

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    Quote Originally Posted by berger View Post
    So how does one explain 30rd pinned glock magazines that can be used in both a pistol and non-restricted rifles?
    They were originally designed and manufactured as a pistol magazine for a commonly available pistol in Canada. Therefore ten round maximum.

    There is an argument that these AR pistol mags are an exact copy of a commonly available RIFLE magazine, therefore limited to five rounds.

    I don't agree with this but it seems straightforward to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berger View Post
    So how does one explain 30rd pinned glock magazines that can be used in both a pistol and non-restricted rifles?
    This can start an entire debate if youd like... or you can just search for LAR15 magazine laws. The magazine must be originallt manufactured for use in a pistol... these are 30 round magazines originally manufactured for a rifle, then pinned to 10 and stamped pistol mag. Doesn't work like that.

    Glock mags were originally manufactured for the pistol... not a rifle.
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    I think if they are really upto it, they should manufacture a 27 round ar pistol mag and then pin it to 10.

    jokes aside, this is a no go Canadian market. Zahal do the honorable thing. Cancel all order and do not ship.

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    Its time someone designs a 29 round magazine for the ar pistol...

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    Ultimately, we can't collectively keep our head in the sand and hope to not draw attention to some of the existing "loopholes" or interpretations of the law. I don't condemn Zahal for bringing these magazines to market, or attempting to, because it's done in the best interests of the firearms community. These magazines are no more rifle magazines than the original RRA mags are pistol magazines. If the company advertises that these magazines are designed for use in the commonly-available LAR-15 pistol, and are SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED for use in that pistol alone, that meets muster for the letter and spirit of the law, regardless of our own feelings or interpretations.

    If the RCMP clamour all over these and use them as the example to prohibit all "pistol" magazines, I don't know that it's Zahal's fault - that's coming one way or another, and to say that it's their fault is disingenuous. It's a storm cloud on the horizon; it's coming whether you like it or not, and whether one importer starts the spark that ignites the fire or another or just a magazine getting picked up at the range.

    This whole "don't do anything to draw attention to us!" mindset is infuriating. Status quo sucks - we only have the 10 round pistol magazines because a company decided to push the envelope. We can have full-size 10 round pistol magazines if this company pushes the envelope again.

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxsun View Post
    They might as well be, because the legal precedent you're citing isn't written in pencil nor is it open to broad interpretation. The Beowulf magazines (incidentally, also manufactured by another Israeli company) have also been prohibited as the SFSS deemed them a modification of a standard AR15 magazine. So guaranteed if simply stamping those "Beowulf" didn't fly that rest assured stamping them "LAR15" sure as heck won't either.


    What arrogance! Will you also be providing free legal counsel and compensation to anyone charged? Because CSBA also works with LE to make arrests when prohibited magazines are picked up or delivered to the customer. Or did your vast forray into the Canadian legal system neglect to uncover this insignificant aspect?

    In addition, when your cavalier attitude forces a SFSS re-review of the LAR15 pistol magazine and gets it prohibited at greater than 5 rounds - will you again so smugly feign ignorance?

    You're playing with fire - and Canadian gun owners are going to end up burned.
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