Canadian made "black" rifle

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I spent the last couple of hours catching up on the M+M M10x fiasco.
One of the more entertaining schit-shows...

Anyway, from two other now-locked threads, you posted this:

Meeting with engineering at 10:30 tomorrow

Oh, what will we have to talk about?

Now where did I put that Faro Arm...

Well, looks like we were just a fart in the wind.

Anyone want a made in Canada/China version

Chris, I would love to contribute ideas towards a Canadian designed and built rifle.
I have some notes and doodles from ideas I have been toying with, and from beer drinking sessions with Sean.
Is Michael Q still with you?

I have some free time now (laid off again...), so lets discuss!

Dean




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I would like to see a complete modular system.
Also, both traditional and bullpup layouts, with many parts common to both layouts.
Something that can be swapped around and customized, and that has a lot of parts already made.
This obviously means using a lot of AR parts, but yet NOT an AR.

*AR-15 fire control group (FCG) parts (trigger, safety, etc). These parts are common, cheap, reliable, and approved as not FA.
*AR-15 barrel dimensions, but without barrel extension. Bolt head and barrel extension to have larger beefier lugs. Perhaps 3 lugs?
*Bolt head to have a larger diameter head to allow for larger dia cartridge heads to be chambered.
*Completely new bolt carrier, that cannot be deemed a "variant".
*AR-15 pistol grip.


*Short stroke gas system
*Adjustable gas system
*Recoil spring to telescope into rear of bolt carrier, to allow for a side folder or bullpup design
*"Classic" wood (like AK-47 or VZ52/57), or modern Aluminum and polymer. Ability to swap parts back and forth.
*Aluminum to have M-Lok mounts. Wood to be old-school.
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If you guys can come together in any shape or form that would be great.
To be honest I want a Canadian designed and built nr rifle to beat the m10x. in 223 or x39. However, it is hard to keep the cost down this way hence the competitiveness is on the line.
 
I'd be genuinely curious to see what sort of early concepts / ideas you have. Perhaps some pics of the sketches?

Also, I'd be willing to offer my expertise in user experience design / marketing / branding if this effort takes off. Helping bring a CDN rifle to market would be a neat thing to have on one's resume.
 
Chris i do not have any IQ (well i am able to avoid the mickey mouse one so considers i m not that dumb lol) but please let us know if you are on something
 
Want:
Non-restricted
7.62x39mm
Feeds off AK Mags
Picatinny rail
Semi-automatic
Chrome-lined barrel
Crowd-funded development
Designed and made in Canada
Price point approx < $1500

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I'd be willing and able to devote some design time to this cause. I'm a third year mech eng student with a good amount of design experience.
 
Rabble Rabble Rabble.... #### M+M we will build our own!!!
Rabble, rabble, CANADIAN MADE!!!

Rabble...

Rabble...


*goes home*


Man, Gun owners are fickle.

Think about it, ALL NR Canadian made black guns are limited production, and very expensive.
The market is Just too small.

Even the most reasonable priced NR rifle, which mostly uses standardized parts (BCL-102) is $1800, and it has a market elsewhere in the world.

Any other NR Canadian Black rifles are $$$.


Sure it could be done, but The R+D and Machining required would make it cost prohibitive.

American companies can do it because if the potential customer base, which Canada does not have.



I am not trying to be negative, but NEA/BCL has experience in this matter, look how long the NEA-25... I mean BCL-102 took.
Or the ATRS MH or MV.
 
Rabble Rabble Rabble.... #### M+M we will build our own!!!
Rabble, rabble, CANADIAN MADE!!!

Rabble...

Rabble...


*goes home*


Man, Gun owners are fickle.

Think about it, ALL NR Canadian made black guns are limited production, and very expensive.
The market is Just too small.

Even the most reasonable priced NR rifle, which mostly uses standardized parts (BCL-102) is $1800, and it has a market elsewhere in the world.

Any other NR Canadian Black rifles are $$$.


Sure it could be done, but The R+D and Machining required would make it cost prohibitive.

American companies can do it because if the potential customer base, which Canada does not have.



I am not trying to be negative, but NEA/BCL has experience in this matter, look how long the NEA-25... I mean BCL-102 took.
Or the ATRS MH or MV.

Apart from bolt and rail, much of the m10x is taken up by a cheap piece of folded stainless steel. Fwiw.

Or be like Apple. Designed in Canada, but made wherever they get the best mfgr price.
 
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