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Can someone provide an updated sketch of the AR 180 - C ( Canada ) with suggestions as noted. This would be a good step in visualizing our new Canadian - Black.
Also easier for everyone to critique with input.
Being approved this is a definite path forward.
J-Bear
PS Lets Getter Done
http://ar180s.com/
Last edited by Nowara; 10-28-2017 at 03:05 PM.
I also have no application for a 5.56 NR "black rifle" under $1K. Most who do shoot at a range and run ARs, because they do this better and cheaper. Varmiters want something more accurate, hunters need a 7.62 rifle. The M305 in a plastic chassis sells because it works for under $1K, not because it's wonderful. The "fun gun" non-competitive, non-hunter, 5.56, N/R only, "black gun" market is small here. Make the gun for $800 all in, sell for $1K, move 1000 units= $200K. Working lots of OT most resource workers with a trade can hit that in 18months. Often 12 months, if they move of the big city.
Semper Fi
Also, the only thing such a rifle could be expected to be good at is sending rounds down range reliably. Looking at recent attempts, even that is not assured.
Semper Fi
You guys are basically describing the bren 806 rifles. Modular magwell, piston etc.
CanAm
"I much prefer the 180 gas system. Very simple and reliable."
Was thinking to reduce how much has to be custom made... AR 180 gas system is 5 pieces. Probably not cheap to manufacture.
Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit.
~Oscar Wilde~
Exactly.
Just bare in mind it doesn't have to be accurate! Even rack grade AR15's are 2-3 MOA rifles at best with bulk/standard shelf ammo. That's plenty accurate enough for a semi auto black rifle.
When you start trying to make a cheap rifle "accurate" it ends up becoming expensive, not that accurate anyway and usually unreliable. I'd point out the obvious of the most recent one but there are sensitive ego's on this board....
There's already a dime bag of overpriced, over engineered black rifles in this country for people to measure their groups with calipers. They're good. I don't want precision. When I do want precision there's the good old Rem700 with match ammo and/or handloads.
Fack sake, we need to get over this fantasy of a semi auto, rack grade rifle design made in Canada that shoots 1/2 MOA and is going to cost around $1K. It's not going to happen. Who gives a s**t about precision accuracy in semi auto black rifle!? Precision shooters can buy precision guns. That's not what this is going to be. Rack grade AR15 accuracy is the goal here. That will keep it cheap, keep it reliable, keep materials/cost down, keep manufacturing simple (cost again).
If we were allowed to in this country, we'd all be out in the woods with our 20" AR15's shooting 2-3 MOA all day and noone would have a problem with that.
Guns only have two natural enemies; politicians and rust.