Canadian made "black" rifle

[C18cz858]

Want:
Non-restricted
7.62x39mm
Feeds off AK Mags
Picatinny rail
Semi-automatic
Chrome-lined barrel
Crowd-funded development
Designed and made in Canada
Price point approx < $1500

equals

I'm with this guy

[C18cz858]

Rabble Rabble Rabble.... #### M+M we will build our own!!!
Rabble, rabble, CANADIAN MADE!!!

Rabble...

Rabble...


*goes home*


Man, Gun owners are fickle.

Think about it, ALL NR Canadian made black guns are limited production, and very expensive.
The market is Just too small.

Even the most reasonable priced NR rifle, which mostly uses standardized parts (BCL-102) is $1800, and it has a market elsewhere in the world.

Any other NR Canadian Black rifles are $$$.


Sure it could be done, but The R+D and Machining required would make it cost prohibitive.

American companies can do it because if the potential customer base, which Canada does not have.



I am not trying to be negative, but NEA/BCL has experience in this matter, look how long the NEA-25... I mean BCL-102 took.
Or the ATRS MH or MV.

Rabble? Fickle?. What intellectual homosexual dinner party did you just come from?

[surplusshooter]

Rabble? Fickle?. What intellectual homosexual dinner party did you just come from?

the rabble is I believe a south park reference in the way he posted it

[Darkw]

A few hours ago I had no idea what an AR180b was. And now I want to buy one ☺

[Tarrantula]

If it is made better than the 180b I would be in. I just hate how the stamped parts make them look...

[xdmer]

It's nice to see where these conversations are going, not exactly what I expected, but good to see none the less. I don't think it's really about coming up with the ultimate modular black rifle, even though that's what many of us desire.

I'm interested in modularity, but it doesn't need to follow the standard AR patterns etc.. and doesn't have to be something it's not. A simple, unique rifle that is durable, reliable, ergonomic and suited for Canadian conditions.

Needed:

Good irons
Scopeable

Highly desirable:

Adjustable Gas System
Different caliber support in the same envelope, quick detaching not needed, but affordable swappable uppers would be nice.
Rear trunnion for tradition or alternation black rifle stock adapters

[870P]

I wasn't too interested in the AR180 at first, really wanted to get my hands on a reasonably priced M10X..

But the more I read about it and imagine a few improvements, I think it could be a great easyish win!

STANAG mag compatible milled receiver, AR grip/trigger and ambi controls. Use a straight AK stock as a dirt cheap factory option, then people can upgrade to one of the many after-market folders available if they want.

Make classic style uppers in both .223 and x39, and then work on an IUR style upper that more closely resembles the M10X later.

If CanAm can pull that off at a reasonable price, it might be tough to stop buying them! lol

Sounds good, however I don't think any AK stocks are bolt-on, no cheap mass produced ones at any rate.

[norlandgeese]

Make a 308 NR semi with LRBHO.
Modern manual of arms.

[tootall]

Given the choice between swapping out:

--the barrel only (receiver stays put)

OR

--The entire upper, as with an AR-15

What would you choose, and why?

Swapping the upper half of receiver would add additional cost the every change. Not just for the extra 1/2 receiver, but for dedicated optics as well.
But optics that stay with each swap do not need re-sighting.
Any other issues/concerns?





Given the choice between:

Classic wood furniture (AK style)

OR

Modern plastic and aluminum
My vision is for a complete line of modular, interchangeable parts that could accommodate both looks.

[Daver_II]

Rabble? Fickle?. What intellectual homosexual dinner party did you just come from?

Yours...