Canadian made "black" rifle

Wow! I'm delighted to see how this thread has taken off!
OK, lets crowd source this right now.
I'll dig out my notes and post again soon.

For now, I am thinking I do NOT want to simply duplicate to M&M gun.
I want to create something new, of our own.

My temporary working name was (last name) Modular Sporting Rifle, RMSR.
But I am fine with a name change.

I intend for it to be several calibers, and an easy barrel change, hence the Modular title.
 
Daver_II said:
I am not trying to be negative, but NEA/BCL has experience in this matter, look how long the NEA-25... I mean BCL-102 took.
Or the ATRS MH or MV.
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Would there be an interest in a rifle that swapped out the magwell area as well as the upper? To maximize the use of a single lower since that’s your grip, trigger, and LOP. You could have a STANAG magwell, AK magwell, Glock magwell and various others. Then design uppers to work with one of the magwell options. It would be difficult to design but you’d sell a lot of conversion kits I’m sure. And a new round doesn’t need a new rifle or FRT, just another magwell and upper.
 
Daver_II said:
Rabble Rabble Rabble.... #### M+M we will build our own!!!
Rabble, rabble, CANADIAN MADE!!!

Rabble...

Rabble...


*goes home*


Man, Gun owners are fickle.

Think about it, ALL NR Canadian made black guns are limited production, and very expensive.
The market is Just too small.

Even the most reasonable priced NR rifle, which mostly uses standardized parts (BCL-102) is $1800, and it has a market elsewhere in the world.

Any other NR Canadian Black rifles are $$$.


Sure it could be done, but The R+D and Machining required would make it cost prohibitive.

American companies can do it because if the potential customer base, which Canada does not have.



I am not trying to be negative, but NEA/BCL has experience in this matter, look how long the NEA-25... I mean BCL-102 took.
Or the ATRS MH or MV.
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It would be really easy to just dismiss this as the usual Can. "It sucks to be us" whining.
But that doesnt answer a nagging question I have:

WHERE DOES THE COSTS COME FROM?
Daver mentions the R&D.
Yet there is nothing truly NEW with this.
It is a gas operated semi, just like many before.
We are not building inter-galactic space ships here.
 
Why reinvent the wheel. Use Nodak Spud aluminium AR180 lowers and just design an modernized upper. Ability to mount optics, move the charging handle, put a rail or mloc front hand guard and we’re off to the races.
 
First step will likely be the AR180B lower, then the upper.

Full gun price will be likely be under $1000.

I will also have them pull the sample M10X we have here and have a look. Maybe do it as well, with a few changed to lower the price
 
CanAm said:
First step will likely be the AR180B lower, then the upper.

Full gun price will be likely be under $1000.

I will also have them pull the sample M10X we have here and have a look. Maybe do it as well, with a few changed to lower the price
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Remember TOOLESS FIELD STRIP. Remember the 958? I'd never buy something that requires a tool to take down.
 
Considering how ridiculous your ' What are you looking for ' thread went this should be fun to follow.

Short of ' I'm having a beer with Dlask tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes ' then don't bother.

Times have changed to the point that they can have custom * not * 10/22 high cap mags made that are quality and affordable, then they can dust off the blueprints for that pump they had and get it NR'ed.

Otherwise the patents on the Mini 14 have long expired just like the 10/22. Worked fine in 5.56 and x39, just copy that in the Philippines or China.
 
I'm committed and do have engineering skills. I really like where Lockhart Tactical is going with their plans too.
tootall said:
Wow! I'm delighted to see how this thread has taken off!
OK, lets crowd source this right now.
I'll dig out my notes and post again soon.

For now, I am thinking I do NOT want to simply duplicate to M&M gun.
I want to create something new, of our own.

My temporary working name was (last name) Modular Sporting Rifle, RMSR.
But I am fine with a name change.

I intend for it to be several calibers, and an easy barrel change, hence the Modular title.
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tootall said:
It would be really easy to just dismiss this as the usual Can. "It sucks to be us" whining.
But that doesnt answer a nagging question I have:

WHERE DOES THE COSTS COME FROM?
Daver mentions the R&D.
Yet there is nothing truly NEW with this.
It is a gas operated semi, just like many before.
We are not building inter-galactic space ships here.
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No but you can very easily be walking into patent issues.

And someone has to do the legwork.

Plus you have to ensure that the trigger mechanism can't be easily converted or modified.

You also have to source parts, subcontract manufacturing of barrels etc.

Ensure quality control throughout

Unless you are a manufacturing shop equipped to do the machining, you need to pay for that too.


Just look at M14.CA and T97.CA.

They only make chassis and accessories, that cost almost as much as the gun it goes on.

Now if they made the complete M14.... how much would it be?
 
GSG1911 said:
Considering how ridiculous your ' What are you looking for ' thread went this should be fun to follow.

Short of ' I'm having a beer with Dlask tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes ' then don't bother.

Times have changed to the point that they can have custom * not * 10/22 high cap mags made that are quality and affordable, then they can dust off the blueprints for that pump they had and get it NR'ed.

Otherwise the patents on the Mini 14 have long expired just like the 10/22. Worked fine in 5.56 and x39, just copy that in the Philippines or China.
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Not sure what you mean; most of thos are being looked at and many are being implemented. Most of our products are based on this type of feedback.
 
CanAm said:
First step will likely be the AR180B lower, then the upper.

Full gun price will be likely be under $1000.

I will also have them pull the sample M10X we have here and have a look. Maybe do it as well, with a few changed to lower the price
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put me down for two of each lol
 
This thread is very encouraging. There is significant demand for a sub 1K semi rifle chambered in a surplus caliber that takes detachable magazines.
Now getting such a rifle to market is the challenging part. Kudo's to Westrifle for their WR762, it is a step in the right direction. However even if someone had a design ready to go right now (that was a new design and not a clone of an existing FRT'd rifle) it would still take at least 2 years to get out of FRT purgatory.
I wish all who work on this endeavor all the success in the world, because in the end we all win.

Why AR and AK parts? Tons of them = low cost
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This will be the key to keeping costs down. Tap into the existing mass market.
 
CanAm said:
First step will likely be the AR180B lower, then the upper.

Full gun price will be likely be under $1000.

I will also have them pull the sample M10X we have here and have a look. Maybe do it as well, with a few changed to lower the price
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Would gladly pay north of $1000 for a NR Not-AR180B™ in 5.56x45.
 
This is very interesting. Would be excited to contribute (funds and engineering effort) to such a project.

I'd suggest a stanag magwell. XCR mags are readily available in x39 and are 10 rounds, already better than the m10x.
 
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