Modern Varmint style uppers and lowers

[Brianma65]

So by serializing the upper, guys can then take there lower and throw a restricted upper on there?
The call the RCMP and have it changed to restricted status?

Then all they have to do is swap back and forth, from NR to R?

If so, what happens if somebody is doing this frequently, and one day, in a rush,forgets to swap from R to NR,
Goes in the bush and gets caught?

Could he just say ,uh, I forgot ?

A 16 inch barrel looks very similar to an 18.

I see threads,where people in a rush,forget their mags,bolts ,etc
So I think this would be possible.

Or do I got it all wrong.. lol

[xdmer]

^ I think it's very possible. I rather not play devils advocate on either side. I don't like it, but since this hasn't been done before, and there is no precedents on how the SFSS/RCMP handle this, I rather not test it or play games. I do think like Daver_II said, but nothing is that simple for us.

[alberta tactical rifle]

So by serializing the upper, guys can then take there lower and throw a restricted upper on there?
The call the RCMP and have it changed to restricted status?

Then all they have to do is swap back and forth, from NR to R?

If so, what happens if somebody is doing this frequently, and one day, in a rush,forgets to swap from R to NR,
Goes in the bush and gets caught?

Could he just say ,uh, I forgot ?

A 16 inch barrel looks very similar to an 18.

I see threads,where people in a rush,forget their mags,bolts ,etc
So I think this would be possible.

Or do I got it all wrong.. lol

Ignorance of the law is not a defense. Forgetfulness I doubt would be a defense either. I believe that once the restricted status is applied it requires a verifier's report to change it. I can see Firearms Legal Defense being a REAL good investment for some guys.

[alberta tactical rifle]

^ I think it's very possible. I rather not play devils advocate on either side. I don't like it, but since this hasn't been done before, and there is no precedents on how the SFSS/RCMP handle this, I rather not test it or play games. I do think like Daver_II said, but nothing is that simple for us.

Agreed. Being the test dummy is going to be EXPENSIVE. Maybe I am really more conservative than I knew? Or just have waaaay too much at stake to play games with major consequences for the loser.

[Brianma65]

Ignorance of the law is not a defense. Forgetfulness I doubt would be a defense either. I believe that once the restricted status is applied it requires a verifier's report to change it. I can see Firearms Legal Defense being a REAL good investment for some guys.

I know ignorance is not a defense,don't mean dumdazzs won't try it.
And when threatened , by jail time with bubba,lol
They'll try and place blame elsewhere.

As they have no backbone, to be accountable.

[Brian46]

So by serializing the upper, guys can then take there lower and throw a restricted upper on there?
The call the RCMP and have it changed to restricted status?

Then all they have to do is swap back and forth, from NR to R?

If so, what happens if somebody is doing this frequently, and one day, in a rush,forgets to swap from R to NR,
Goes in the bush and gets caught?

Could he just say ,uh, I forgot ?

A 16 inch barrel looks very similar to an 18.

I see threads,where people in a rush,forget their mags,bolts ,etc
So I think this would be possible.

Or do I got it all wrong.. lol

no, you would have restricted uppers and NR uppers for the same lower, no call required for a status change when adding the lower to upper.

The same problem with the ACR, xcr, etc that are quick caliber change rifles. We can play the what if game all day, but fact remains the SFSS has yet to Crack down.

It even gets more complicated with multiple ACR's with multiple caliber conversions and lengths to keep it straight, especially with a status change sometimes being required depending on the swap. Not to mention the waiting period where the CFC instructs you to leave the gun in the safe while you wait for paperwork to be processed.

Way simpler with serial on uppers, then there is only need for one lower rather than multiple rifles to fill in the gap for status processing times

[yohann160]

Why it's a well known fact that people do that with ACR's and XCR's all the time...

[xdmer]

I think he meant it as a figure of speech. As in that is not the intent of the design, or commercially offered rifle from either vendor. I can see the SSFS or RCMP seeing this as playing games, and doing something that was 'not intended' because it's technically possible. (they seem to love dual use now)

As in play stupid games .... this is how 'loopholes' are created from thin air, and how we all end up getting hammered. This is why we can't have nice things....

Who here has suggested doing this except yourself?

[riptide]

Agreed. Being the test dummy is going to be EXPENSIVE. Maybe I am really more conservative than I knew? Or just have waaaay too much at stake to play games with major consequences for the loser.

Agreed. I do not have to like the laws... and I can want to change them all I want. But there's no chance in hell that I'd be willing to break them when the consequences are as severe as they would be. At the very least it would be a loss of all my firearms and a hefty legal bill to stay out of jail with no criminal record. I can have the shorter barrels on my ARs. The NR stuff gets 18.5". Besides... is 2-4 inches all that big a deal (yes I'm aware how that sounds)?

[xdmer]

XCR's have specific pistol designs, registered as such I think, or more specifically XCR-L Micro. Rifle / Restricted Rifle would depend on barrel, but they only come in 18.6 in Canada and I've never seen the micro / pistol barrels or uppers for sale here.

The design, intention and components are clearly restricted and non restricted.

Why it's a well known fact that people do that with ACR's and XCR's all the time...