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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniest View Post
    I am still waiting for the excellent Zach from Capri Insurance to answer other questions that may help.

    However, I do see Suther's answer to be reasonable: Capri would cover having a registered 80% lower and then being charged with a prohibited device when the RCMP CFO already know about it, but Capri would not cover someone currently owning an unregistered 80% lower. The "80% AR Lower" is now prohibited and thus Capri does NOT cover intentionally breaking the law that you know.

    One could argue that being on CGN and having the access to the knowledge here gives us a "more than reasonable" understanding of laws when "ignorance of the law is still no excuse" for breaking it.

    You can wait for Zach's answer, and I implore you to do so, but when I have presented "reasonable common sense" to these questions in the past Zach has concurred.
    There is to my knowledge nothing vastly different in principle on how and why both beowulf mags and 80 lowers were "deemed"prohibited, hance the question.

    Im simply curious after stumbling upon the beowulf mag thread on wether or not they'd handle it the same. Neither issues affect me directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce-deuce View Post
    I suspect this was more about stopping them at the border
    That's my believe too. While it is a big question whether their new creative interpretation is valid and enforceable, it, nevertheless, effectively killed all 80% imports and all related business sales, because businesses will not risk to deal with them anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyish View Post
    AR15 80% are arbitrarily prohib under the basis you may machine it beyond 100% semi. (Aka FA.)

    However you can still buy all other means of 80% recievers/frames. Restricted based 80% recievers/frames are registered using a 'FIN' (firearms identification number) and the owner can put their own serial on it at a later date.
    So just to be clear, only AR recievers are banned? You could buy a 80% receiver for a bolt action rifle and thats not controlled in any way? While, say, an 80% glock frame needs to be registered with a FIN?

    And AR receivers that people have were grandfathered and issued FINs, but you can't buy new ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniest View Post
    I am still waiting for the excellent Zach from Capri Insurance to answer other questions that may help. You can wait for Zach's answer, and I implore you to do so, but when I have presented "reasonable common sense" to these questions in the past Zach has concurred.
    Umm yeah, good luck with that... he's not here to answer questions... his only answer will be to call the legal team as he just sells policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suther View Post
    So just to be clear, only AR recievers are banned? You could buy a 80% receiver for a bolt action rifle and thats not controlled in any way? While, say, an 80% glock frame needs to be registered with a FIN?

    And AR receivers that people have were grandfathered and issued FINs, but you can't buy new ones?
    Supposedly all unfinished AR 80% are prohib, and existing completed units may require you to submit photos or even the entire lower to the lab for review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyish View Post
    Supposedly all unfinished AR 80% are prohib, and existing completed units may require you to submit photos or even the entire lower to the lab for review.
    I thought I heard something about being able to get a FIN for them, if you had them when they announced the ban? but you can't actually BUY them anymore or anything? I could be wrong about that though, I wasn't on CGN much during that time frame...

    Or was everyone expected to turn in or destroy what they had?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youzawhale View Post
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    Hi All,

    Sorry again, this system doesn't notify me when these posts are made and with 2 kids under 2 at home I don't get to spend as much time on this site as I would like. Just in case you're looking to speak to me it's always faster to reach me directly at 250-869-3987 or zschwing@capricmw.ca

    To answer your question, the policy does not specifically state that the 80% receiver issue is covered. When something isn't specifically covered or excluded in a policy I look at the wording to find you the best answer and that answer is this: The program would not cover you if you deliberately broke a law set out in the Firearms Act. As aspects of the 80% receiver, Beowulf magazine and 10/22 issue, to mention a few, are all interpretation issues and not actual law changes then we can say that the policy does not exclude it.

    I always recommend that you contact legal council for these situations as I'm not a lawyer nor do I claim to be an expert on the intricacies of the Firearms Act. As a broker I can only confidently tell you what the wording says.

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    Thanks Zach!
    Greatly appreciate your help and availability, and am taking note of the more convenient ways to reach you.

    Cheers,

    Youza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capri Insurance View Post
    As aspects of the 80% receiver, Beowulf magazine and 10/22 issue, to mention a few, are all interpretation issues and not actual law changes then we can say that the policy does not exclude it.
    Quote Originally Posted by LeadMonkey View Post
    Umm yeah, good luck with that... he's not here to answer questions... his only answer will be to call the legal team as he just sells policies.
    There we are: the answer from the one who has to prove to the masses the value of the policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniest View Post
    There we are: the answer from the one who has to prove to the masses the value of the policy.
    ...answer which differed from yours even when you were so confident it wouldn't, I should point out. This is why I ask for answers from official sources, and don't really care for heresay and assumptions from random people. Again no offence.

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