WK308-A. The concept

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drifter dave said:
I'm assuming this will need a new FRT?
So 3 years out?
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Mr wolverine don't care about FRT it's just a guideline anyway. As long as it meets the criteria of a non restricted he will make it for us. The 180c still has no frt and we will be shooting them next month��
 
tiriaq said:
If the rifle were designed and manufactured to use AICS pattern magazines, would that make all AICS pattern magazines subject to 5 round limit?

Look what happened with the Ruger 10/22 magazine.
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That pretty much sums up my thoughts.

I think in reality mag limits are whatever the RCMP wants, facts suitably bent to suit the desired outcome.
 
Travis Bickle said:
Well for one sub MOA and semi auto are almost mutually exclusive right off the bat so that's the first non realistic expectation of yours which is exactly my point. There was the Modern Hunter for one off the top of my head that professed MOA accuracy out of a $3K NR semi auto. I doubt it was. Some people were telling tall tales of the BCL 102 being sub MOA so that's another one. Again, likely BS but that's exactly my point; when you try to make a sub MOA .308 semi auto it ends up being very expensive and also NOT sub MOA. Sorry it also ends up being extremely heavy, ublanaced overpriced and also not sub MOA. Basically expectations like this end up becoming abortions like the 102.
It's pointless. You can get sub MOA with a blueprinted rem 700 for a fraction of the cost.
What you're essentially saying is that the input you want them to take from you on a simple, light, cheap semi auto .308 blaster is "make it shoot like a PGW Coyote but in semi auto even if it costs $3K".....
#### me right? lol Welcome to public forums.
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Lol are you ever off base. There are a tonne of sub MOA semis out there - I have two myself. The problem is that they are restricted so there’s no hope in ever taking them out in the field. Oh, and guess what, they aren’t even that heavy. Oh, and guess what, one is even less than $3k. The modern sporter has been advertised as sub MOA capable but I’ve never seen a published review that shows this to be true. Also, as you seem to recognize, the 102 isn’t what anyone would call a sub MOA gun.

Also, I’m well aware that you can buy a bolty for less and it can shoot sub MOA. But you know what? I want a semi. I want a semi that shoots sub MOA and I want it for less than $3k. Do I expect it? No, I’m not a five year old the night before Christmas but I want it so I posted for Wolverine to see. Unfortunately it was also seen by someone who thinks we should all think like them. No wonder us gun owners can’t be a strong enough group to push back against the liberal agenda. You’d be the guy saying you want such and such and anything else is for idiots.

I don’t know if you think you’re somehow a hero protecting Wolverine from input or just a close minded, blowhard who thinks talking the loudest will somehow cover up for his lack of factual knowledge but it doesn’t matter in the end I suppose. Have a good life bro and if you feel the need to respond please pm me so everyone else doesn’t have to see your ignorance. Oh and apologies to all for this diversion, I’m done with it.
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
Coming soon will be our introduction to the WK308-A, hopefully I will be test firing the pre-production prototype with in the next four weeks. The design is 95% completed, I am very excited, I think she is good, but then I am biased. :) No pre-orders for a long long time, but please feel free to speculate, what would you, the end user like to see? What would be a good target retail price for a no frills, utility, semi auto, non-restricted rifle?

More to follow! :)
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As light or lighter than the POF Revolution. (7.3lb)
 
YoungestPiperCub said:
Honest question. There is what a 1500+ rifle backlog of WK180s with estimated year+ of production. Would you not be better off putting everything into getting those out the door first. To often i see in manufacturing company's (not just firearms) try to launch so many products so quickly that they never get anything out on time. I figure you guys thought of this and are thinking of another way. I was 25th or so in line on the preorder for WK180, 50th for the fx-9 and likely would be in on this as well but I feel bad for folks who have to wait a year for thier 180 while these get slotted ahead. Lots of great stuff coming from you guys but lots of backlog also.

Keep up the great work wolverine.
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I fully concur but we must also keep up with some limited R&R so we remain competitive.
 
I'd like to see a piston driven gun that has quick change barrel options.243, 338f etc.... with moderate accuracy 1-1.5 moa and be in the mid price range $2000-2500 uses sr 25 mags, and ar 15 hand guards, I love my rob arms xcrs but don't think the gun is worth +3g, or the fact I can't get a lower upper set for the ra to build as I need.
 
I cannot emphasize more about reliability, all fancy features are useless IF I cannot trust that it will cycle reliably and every trigger pull goes bang.
 
CRBurton said:
Mr wolverine don't care about FRT it's just a guideline anyway. As long as it meets the criteria of a non restricted he will make it for us. The 180c still has no frt and we will be shooting them next month��
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Lol there's optimism for you! Haha

And also, guideline or not, a business cannot reasonably sell a firearm to a consumer without a classification. If they sold them all as NR, and they came back as restricted or worse, they would be in a pile of trouble.

(Can't tell if you were kidding, or just not real bright)
 
megahurts said:
I don’t know if you think you’re somehow a hero protecting Wolverine from input or just a close minded, blowhard who thinks talking the loudest will somehow cover up for his lack of factual knowledge but it doesn’t matter in the end I suppose. Have a good life bro and if you feel the need to respond please pm me so everyone else doesn’t have to see your ignorance. Oh and apologies to all for this diversion, I’m done with it.
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Just a realist Sir :D no hero for sure. I just see the obvious fallacy of expecting a rack grade, mass produced semi auto rifle in the $1500 dollar range and sub MOA accuracy. About as far apart as the the Sun and Neptune.
I don't need to do PM's. There is no ignorance in anything I say. It's called reality based on realistic expectations and personal experience. "Factual knowledge" and stuff right?

Anyhow,

Wolverine, here are my suggestions:

Light, simple, reliable, 3-4 MOA, can shoot 7.62mm surplus and around the $1500 mark.
 
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7-8Lbs
1:10 barrel with rifle length gas system
DPMS pattern barrel nut and thread, so that people can change the barrel if they desire to either heavier or lighter...there are more aftermarket HG available in the DPMS pattern than ArmaLite or other proprietary sizes.
Threaded barrel, with either a thread protector or an (cheap/inexpensive) A2 style muzzle device. (this way people can change it out later if they desire)
Barrel extension to be compatible with the most popular industry standard (DPMS)
Bolt carrier: ability to use a standard AR-308 bolt in the bolt carrier
Short stroke adjustable/regulated piston system (FN FAL style)
non-reciprocating charging handle
Shoots 7.62 X 51 or 308. Eats it and spits it out!!!
Price: I would love to see this hover around $1500, but defiantly under 2K.
 
First of all good for you! My votes are $1500ish or less pre-taxes , 16 or 18" barrel, 8ish or less pounds. Huntable for accuracy . May be unrealistic but I also would like a piston. Ambi ( I'm LH)
 
Mr Wolverine said:
When I say "Utility" I am thinking "Low cost" and "No frills", there are lot's of high quality semi auto rifles on the market with the corresponding high price, they have all the " bells and whistles " . I am thinking that our market is starved of good value for money entry level rifles that actually deliver what they are claimed to be, I don't expect purchasers of my rifles to have to rebuild them at their own exspence just to give basic performance, that should be guaranteed out of the box. It is another matter for a new owner to refinish with his favorite colour, change the caliber or fit a match grade barrel, that is above and beyond, technically that would also void the warranty, although I would never use this as an excuse to duck out of any obligation I felt was reasonable.

Question: What do you want as a "dry" weight?
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Let's face it John, as with the WK-180 the big selling point is that it's a "non-restricted" black rifle so use the same basic concept with the WK-308. A reliable, decent accuracy, basic rifle built on a non-restricted receiver with a maximum of interchangeability with the AR-10/LR308/AR-15 platforms so that parts availability isn't an issue and people can pimp it out to their heart's content re handguards, triggers, stocks, etc. A price point in the $1400-1500 range (the lower the better) and weight under 8 pounds and it's an instant winner. You'll have to open your own factory just to keep up with demand.

And keep the great ideas coming.:cool:
 
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