Ruger BX25 & Mini 14 & 30 Factory mags arriving soon!

[srnm]

True.. I have a 8.5 inch shotgun with a pistol grip and it’s restricted as a shotgun and not classified as a handgun due to the reciever being the same as the full-size shotgun (I had a nice long agruement with the RCMP about that one as they wanted to register it as a handgun when I was reclassify it). the charger should of been classified as a rifle since it’s the same reciever as a 10/22 rifle. Unless I’m wrong and the reciever is different.

[truemask]

Wait what?? This is not an actual law?? I got rid of 3 new 25 round butler creek mags cuz I didn’t want the things pinned to 10

Same I didn't know if this was law or not I pinned 2 of my butler Creek 10/22 mags Because I thought they would be a prohibited device now. I kind of wanted to toss em'

[captainamazing]

Agree or disagree with this ill conceived “law” businesses must have them pinned or lose their dealer license.

[Nbhunt3r]

The rcmp want to play games, they don't have a sweet f$cking clue what they are doing.

[Liberty.357]

Thats not quite accurate and it does sound like you are the one who hasn't taken the time to read and understand the law, probably like most of the people who don't understand whats going on with the 10/22 issue.

The law states that a magazine is prohibited if :



This in fact asks two questions :

1- Is the Ruger 10/22 25-round mag capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed?
The answer is YES, it is capable of containing 25 cartridges

and

2- Is it designed OR MANUFACTURED for use in a semi-automatic handgun commonly available in Canada?
The answer is YES, it is (also) manufactured for use in the pistol version of the 10/22 that is commonly available in Canada

answering yes to both these questions means the magazine is in fact prohibited.
Objectively, its not the RCMP's fault, but rather the manufacturer's fault for releasing a pistol version of the rimfire rifle that uses the same mags.

Clearer?

Youza.

Thanks for posting this. I missed the manufacturing part. That coupled with the BX25 being marketed for the charger on the packaging(as I'm told), made up my mind. It's definitely not legal.

However, this only strengthens my resolve about the Butler creek magazines. Also the gsg 110 drums make no mention about the charger on packaging from what I've seen and are designed for the rifle.. Why don't businesses import those instead, they are what we need prevelant up here.

[Suther]

Thanks for posting this. I missed the manufacturing part. That coupled with the BX25 being marketed for the charger on the packaging(as I'm told), made up my mind. It's definitely not legal.

However, this only strengthens my resolve about the Butler creek magazines. Also the gsg 110 drums make no mention about the charger on packaging from what I've seen and are designed for the rifle.. Why don't businesses import those instead, they are what we need prevelant up here.

The gsg drums are a particularly interesting story. If I'm not mistaken, they were once deemed also charger mags. Gsg changed the packaging and what was written on the mags themselves, and that was sufficient to retain the full capacity without pinning. At least that's what I heard... Can anyone confirm or deny this?

[Ironheart]

Same I didn't know if this was law or not I pinned 2 of my butler Creek 10/22 mags Because I thought they would be a prohibited device now. I kind of wanted to toss em'

Like I stated before and a very reputable dealer stated this as well.....RCMP opinion is NOT LAW.....I shoot my 25 rounder freely as as far as concerned...rimfire magazine capacity is unlimited which is outlined in the firearms act

[captainamazing]

Like I stated before and a very reputable dealer stated this as well.....RCMP opinion is NOT LAW.....I shoot my 25 rounder freely as as far as concerned...rimfire magazine capacity is unlimited which is outlined in the firearms act

Agreed. The idea that the BX25 is prohibited based on what was printed on the package rather than its functionality is absurd and embarrassing as a country. Firearm laws should not be this complicated nor should they be 100% geared at creating "paper criminals".

Fact#1: The RCMP approved the Charger knowing it took 25 rounds mags. (Butler Creek and others)
Fact#2: The RCMP is attempting to ban 25 round mags because they can be used in the Charger.

This sounds like a problem created by the RCMP by either ineptitude or subterfuge. Pick one, either one is a scary as the other.

[Youzawhale]

Fact#1: The RCMP approved the Charger knowing it took 25 rounds mags. (Butler Creek and others)

...as opposed to what other option, exactly?
Can you point to a legal mechanism under which it is possible to prohibit guns based on what mags fit in them?
And would you really be happier if that mechanism existed?

Fact#2: The RCMP is attempting to ban 25 round mags because they can be used in the Charger.

This sounds like a problem created by the RCMP by either ineptitude or subterfuge. Pick one, either one is a scary as the other.

No, its a problem that is objectively created by how the laws where written by lawmakers.

Youza.

[Suther]

Like I stated before and a very reputable dealer stated this as well.....RCMP opinion is NOT LAW.....I shoot my 25 rounder freely as as far as concerned...rimfire magazine capacity is unlimited which is outlined in the firearms act

Agreed. The idea that the BX25 is prohibited based on what was printed on the package rather than its functionality is absurd and embarrassing as a country. Firearm laws should not be this complicated nor should they be 100% geared at creating "paper criminals".

Fact#1: The RCMP approved the Charger knowing it took 25 rounds mags. (Butler Creek and others)
Fact#2: The RCMP is attempting to ban 25 round mags because they can be used in the Charger.

This sounds like a problem created by the RCMP by either ineptitude or subterfuge. Pick one, either one is a scary as the other.

The Bx25 was invented AFTER the charger. Therefore, it is designed and manufactured for both the charger and 10/22, and must be pinned to 10.

Meanwhile, the BC mags were patented in 1978, more than 20 years before the charger existed. An argument can be made that all BC mags manufactured after the charger was released are charger mags, however that same argument makes no sense for all the magazines produced before the charger got released, because how can a magazine be manufactured or designed for a gun that does not exist yet?