Why are LAR-15 magazines OK but not Beowulf?

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Why are LAR-15 magazines OK but not Beowulf?

I assume it's because the LAR-15 is a pistol and Beowulf is not.

Then why aren’t we allowed to have 10 round AR15 magazines in AR pistols?

If I had a Beowulf pistol, can I use a 10 round magazine on that? (30 round .223)

What defines a "pistol" in Canada?

I'm just trying to understand this "dual use" definition better.
 
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We are allowed 10 round 223/556 pistol mags in AR pistols chambered in 223/556... You are also allowed to use that same mag in a AR rifle chambered in 223/556.

This above gun is legally registered as a pistol, and take its proper 10rd 225/556 pistol mags.
Picture below it is an AR rifle, which you can also use the above 10rd pistol mag in it, legally.

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The whole beowolf argument thing is that no one actually designed said mags, they simply used the existing 223/556 mags as such, hence the limit of 2rd for anything that handles .50 beowolf.

This is very different than loading 9mm ammo in a magazine designed for .40cal; which is ok (and legal).

Sure the law isn't clearly written, and you can still find "5rd" beowolf mags in the wild, but I wouln't risk it, you could lose alot in the end... just get legal 10rd pistol mags for your AR needs ;)
 
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Lol can’t resist....

Piston mags are for pistols, but there are AR10 and AR15 pistols... because of this the mags labeled pistols can have 10 rounds but as long as they are not modified they can be used in anything they fit....

The AR10 and AR15 rifle mags are just that designed for a rifle so limited to 5 rounds but could still be used in an AR pistol because they fit.... but can only hold 5 because that’s what they are designed and intended for....

Beowulf was more or less a gov’t wording mess up... they are intended to be a rifle magazine and intended to be used with .50 Beowulf. Just because you could fit way more .223 in them doesn’t mean that is legal (not gonna get into the legal argument on this). This was further vilified because many were (modified) crimping the feed lips and such, this is also a no no accoutring to the wording of the law...

If a .50 Beowulf pistol mag was created it would still be the same issue...

Pistol in Canada is exactly that a firearm deemed a pistol and a magazine specifically made and designed to operate in that pistol and marked accourdingly...

At the end of the day, they are working on ways to stop this and it’s important to have your docs on hand as many have had charges laid and things confiscated to to an I’ll informed officer. Even thought you did nothing wrong it’s a good way to wreck your day!
 
tharkhold said:
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We are allowed 10 round 223/556 pistol mags in AR pistols chambered in 223/556... You are also allowed to use that same mag in a AR rifle chambered in 223/556.

This above gun is legally registered as a pistol, and take its proper 10rd 225/556 pistol mags.
Picture below it is an AR rifle, which you can also use the above 10rd pistol mag in it, legally.

ra95b1p.jpg


The whole beowolf argument thing is that no one actually designed said mags, they simply used the existing 223/556 mags as such, hence the limit of 2rd for anything that handles .50 beowolf.

This is very different than loading 9mm ammo in a magazine designed for .40cal; which is ok (and legal).

Sure the law isn't clearly written, and you can still find "5rd" beowolf mags in the wild, but I wouln't risk it, you could lose alot in the end... just get legal 10rd pistol mags for your AR needs ;)
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Thanks for the info.

What are those polymer 10 round magazines?
 
In the case of the Beowulf, dual use was about 5.56 / .50 Beo, not about pistol / rifle. At some point they were making .50 mags with 5.56 followers. That got the RCMP lab people all bent out of shape and they invented the term "dual use" magazine. After that, they applied the "dual use" definition they invented to Butler Creek 10/22 mags.
 
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lol, can anyone find the definition of a handgun in Canadian legislature/case law/etc?? I'm currently going thru some, but can't find any. All I have is one for "firearm".
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they're gonna have to define it if they're gonna go through with this "handgun ban" lol. stupid.
 
tharkhold said:
lol, can anyone find the definition of a handgun in Canadian legislature/case law/etc?? I'm currently going thru some, but can't find any. All I have is one for "firearm".
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Criminal Code Definition
handgun means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands; (arme de poing)
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I still remember trying to register my PDW AR build as a pistol and they asked me how many round magazine I was using, I said 10. She told me the next step was to have a gunsmith verify it is indeed a "pistol". In retrospect with the laws changing its probably good it's registered as a rifle.
 
tharkhold said:
lol, can anyone find the definition of a handgun in Canadian legislature/case law/etc?? I'm currently going thru some, but can't find any. All I have is one for "firearm".
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Try section 84 of the criminal code. Thats where all the relevant definitions for firearms are found, except for firearm itself which is found in s 2.
 
Ok so to be clear on this, technically if we r to use the Beowulf mag for .223 we aren’t breaking the law but still run the real risk of an uninformed officer making a mess of things?

Is that a fair evaluation?
 
craigdwh said:
Ok so to be clear on this, technically if we r to use the Beowulf mag for .223 we aren’t breaking the law but still run the real risk of an uninformed officer making a mess of things?

Is that a fair evaluation?
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No. 50 beowolf magazines ARE 556 mags. Thus, they must be pinned to 5rds 556. That was one of the selling points of the 50beo - the fact you could just use your existing 556 mags for it rather than needing to buy new mags like you need to for other big bore AR cartridges. Some of the magazines use a different follower, but changing the follower doesn't change the fact it's a 556 mag.

That is the rcmp interpretation of this, and Alexander Arms won't (likely can't) provide any proof that they designed their mags from the ground up so there is no way to fight it. A cgn member has already tried to go down that road.

If an officer charges you, you might get to be the lucky person who finally gets this infront of a judge, as you'd be facing charges of possession of a prohibited device. (far more likely is they will drop that charge as part of a plea deal if they've got you on other stuff too, or they'll drop the charges in exchange for you relinquishing the mags. There has been two people that I've heard of being charged with this, one had multiple other charges and they dropped that one in exchange for a plea deal on others, the second guy I can't remember, he might have actually gotten them back in the end without going infront of a judge because it was the only thing he was charged with.)

As for the OPs, mention of 50beo pistol mags, there is no such thing as a 50 beo mag (they're just modified 556 mags) so no, you can't get a 10rd 50beo pistol mag.
 
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