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Thread: 81 Percent of the Responses Said No Gun Ban

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    The first steps of many to come, lets not make it easy for them!

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    The longer people feel detached to guns, the easier it would be to convince the majority to have them banned. The solution seems to be not to give much power to cities, as the people there are largely detached from the lifestyle of rural peoples.

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    Good work for all involved. Keep up the pressure, and keep commenting on the anti articles but keep the responses factual and civil!

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    In person round table discussions are usually evenly divided between the two polar opposite sides so it makes sense there is a more evenly divided opinion. When the participants are not pre selected based on their leanings, we get the true picture with 81% against the ban. But yet they still try to water down the obvious results.

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    Of course they will, but this is positive and a minor victory for us. They won't stop, but neither should we! Maybe just maybe, this resonates home with some of the liberals that if they want to stay in power they need to pick their battles.

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    They are still trying to spin it best they can by using the phrase “ deeply/ strongly polarized”.

    There is nothing polarizing about it. 81%, a facking majority! agree that a ban is useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianWolf View Post
    The longer people feel detached to guns, the easier it would be to convince the majority to have them banned. The solution seems to be not to give much power to cities, as the people there are largely detached from the lifestyle of rural peoples.
    Don't make this urban vs rural, that just divides the voting public and you can already see the results of it which is why we are here having this discussion.

    Change the dialogue to increased border scrutiny AND start to look at programs that elevate people who are in the urban environment to not be motivated in joining the dark side and pursue honest decent paying jobs. The US has had success in reducing gang recruiting through various social programs (Oakland comes to mind). This isn't a simple problem solved by banning guns and although stemming the flow of illegal guns would help, it only removes their tools not the symptom.

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    New report on potential handgun ban finds Canadians divided on gun issues

    A new report summarizing the federal government’s sixth-month examination of a potential handgun ban provides little backing for the idea, instead underscoring the intractable nature of the debate over firearms regulations in Canada.

    The 31-page document released on Thursday captures the government’s attempt to gauge the country’s appetite for a “full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada,” as directed in the Prime Minister’s mandate letter to Minister for Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Bill Blair.

    The goal of the report is to reflect the tone of public responses, and not to provide policy direction, but it does temper expectations for a prohibition from Page 1. “Overall, participants were strongly polarized on the issue of banning handguns and assault-style firearms,” states the first key finding in the report, prepared by the communications firm Hill + Knowlton Strategies.

    But Mr. Blair, who crossed the country engaging a range of people from Olympic marksmen to gun-violence victims on the issue, warned against conflating the summary report with the government’s intentions. “I think it’s important to acknowledge there was a great diversity of opinion and disagreement on the issue," he told The Globe and Mail. "I would not encourage people to draw a conclusion from that about what then is the right thing to do.”

    The consultation did find some common ground among the various groups engaged in the firearms debate, mainly around data collection, addressing poverty and other drivers of gun violence, cracking down on gun smugglers and boosting mental-health screening.

    But over all, it suggests any government seeking to pursue a handgun ban in this country will endure a political backlash.

    “The document clearly doesn’t state what the government will do on this issue,” said Blake Brown, author of Arming and Disarming: A History of Gun Control in Canada and history professor at St. Mary’s University. “But there are hints of what it will not do. The executive summary really indicates there is not strong support for a ban.”

    The idea for an all-out ban came after a 29-year-old man opened fire along Toronto’s busy Danforth Avenue on July 22, 2018, killing two people and injuring 13 others.

    In October, Mr. Blair launched a consultation effort on the idea that included eight closed-door round tables with key stakeholders across the country, a call-out for written submissions, bilateral meetings and an online questionnaire.

    The online component took in the greatest volume of responses, with almost 135,000 questionnaires completed. But the open nature of the survey invited digital trickery, with one firearms enthusiast telling The Globe last month that he sent upward of 25,000 submissions using an automation app as way of thwarting what he felt were biased questions.

    The lack of harmony on the notion of a ban is unsurprising given the list of invitees to the roundtable sessions. They included a broad range of groups representing gun enthusiasts, such as the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights and Lower Canada Arms Collectors Association. Their views were countered by representatives from PolySeSouvient, Coalition for Gun Control and an array of groups calling for tighter regulations on firearms.

    On the anti-ban side of the debate, shooting clubs, retailers, wildlife clubs and most academics said a ban isn’t supported by data and would do little to stop criminals from getting firearms while punishing lawful gun-owners who own handguns and military-style rifles for target shooting.

    Those who supported a ban included some health groups, victim-oriented organizations and women-focused organizations. They argued a ban would reduce harm and help address gang violence. Other written submissions, of which there were around 1,200, stated that the limited recreational benefit of handguns and assault-style firearms don’t justify the greater risk they pose to public safety.

    The report floats several other ideas under consideration by the government, including centralized gun storage, improved screening to detect bulk gun purchases, greater inspection powers for law enforcement and harsher sentences for gun criminals.

    There was general agreement that the government needs to address the root causes of firearm violence, namely poverty, lack of education, unemployment, lack of mental-health support and social exclusion.

    Mr. Blair provided little indication of new policies he may favour.

    The report came out the same day Liberal MP Julie Dzerowicz tabled a petition calling for a ban on handguns and “military assault weapons” signed by 20,000 people.

    “We’ve seen time and time again the enormous damage of these weapons, taking lives, leaving grieving families and a shocked city behind to make sense of these tragedies,” she said. "It’s time for action and it’s time to limit the easy access of handguns and assault weapons.”

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    the author needs to revisit the definition of "polarity", 81/19 is hardly polarizing!
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    Ok next step and who to donate to?

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