Over seventy-five thousand - 75,634 - AR-15s currently registered to individuals

[michaeltheCatholic]

In July we filed an Access to Information request with the RCMP, asking for the number of AR-15s registered to individuals. The number was 75,634 as of August 14, 2019.

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Question: I've heard estimates that ban will cost them 400-600million. Yet, if there are only 75k restricted AR15s, then even if Liberals pay 2k for every one of them, that will only be 150m in payout. That leaves up to 450 mil to spend. So really the restricted ar15s are just a small fraction of what they aim to ban. What other guns are they considering here? I wonder if JT will take the route that NZ, practically banning every centrefire semi rifle.

[Cameron SS]

It never occurred to me to do the math, until just now. I just assumed that 250,000 * 1,500 = 600 million.
Turns out 250,000 * 1,500 = $375 million.

So what are they spending $225 million on? ($600 million - $375 million = $225 million)

Software, advertising, and pickup? $225 million seems excessive for that.
Error in the 250,000 is too low?
Error in the $1,500 is too low?

$1,500 is similar to the New Zealand buyback amount. I read somewhere that NZ spent an average of $1800 NZD per firearm, and converting that to CAD is $1,516 per firearm.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-ze...back-1.5269463

Under both the Australian 96 buyback and the current NZ buyback, both programs would compensate gun owners not just for the firearms, but also parts and accessories rendered useless without the firearm. That could account for a significant amount of the delta.

Also don't forget the actual destruction and disposal costs. And there will no doubt be lots of record keeping going on.

Further, the 250K number is highly conspicuous. IN the spring Blair said the number was 200K. WE know that 12k new ARs were sold from April to August, so what were the other 38k firearms purchased in that period that drove the number higher?

What the liberals are proposing right now is different. It's an actual confiscation of the item in question. Or, more precisely, an expropriation. The government can expropriate you of any of your property, including your home. Expropriation is usually meant for land, but it can be of any property. There is absolutely no question on the legality of such a thing in Canada by a federal or provincial government. None. The only stop to expropriation is solely its political cost, as taking stuff away from private citizens is usually not a very popular move. The liberals are betting that this cost won't be very high.

The only excuse the government is allowed to use for forced expropriation of property is to invoke eminent domain as a necessity. It would be unprecedented for the government to invoke eminent domain to expropriate something out of necessity, and then destroy the thing that it previously thought it needed.

It is a inaccurate and misleading to call the confiscation of firearms an expropriation.
Denying a person's ability to possess their legally owned property is called theft.
Theft under the guise of criminal sanction is called blackmail.
Using money to coerce compliance with theft is called bribery.
Bribery under a threat of criminal sanction is called extortion.

Calling this plan of prohibition Expropriation will actually give it some legitimacy in the eyes of Canadians. Expropriation in the national interest is legal.

Theft, blackmail, bribery, and extortion are not. Call this what it really is.

While it clearly says going from receiver to functional firearm I don't see where it says you must report going back to just the receiver..?

4 (1) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar, within 30 days after the modification, of

(a) any modification to the firearm that results in a change of class of the firearm;

(b) in the case of a firearm registered as a frame or receiver only, any modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition;

(c) any modification to an altered automatic firearm; and

(d) any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm.

Where a firearm is defined in S 2 of the criminal code as a "barrelled weapon capable of discharging a projectile capable of causing serious bodily harm."

Another sloppily worded piece of legislation by people who couldn't comprehend the firearms industry and how these laws would actually be used.

The problem with all of these laws is that modification itself is not a term defined in the criminal code. Courts have long ruled that a firearm temporarily disassembled for the purposes of cleaning and maintenance is still a firearm, as it can be easily and quickly reassembled. The available rulings don't address the issue of a firearm that was purchased in a disassembled state, and that can be easily and quick assembled in the first place.

We see this problem again in the classification rules where some prohibited and restricted firearms are classified based on modifications.

The whole concept of registering firearms as a receiver only is nonsense. And despite all the complicated BS about classifying and registering a firearm based not on the receiver but by the parts attached to it, the one thing that would have made sense was the one thing they didn't do, which was to exempt restricted receivers from the ridiculous requirement under the storage regulations to trigger lock an inanimate piece of metal.

[True North Arms Corp]

Question: I've heard estimates that ban will cost them 400-600million. Yet, if there are only 75k restricted AR15s, then even if Liberals pay 2k for every one of them, that will only be 150m in payout. That leaves up to 450 mil to spend. So really the restricted ar15s are just a small fraction of what they aim to ban. What other guns are they considering here? I wonder if JT will take the route that NZ, practically banning every centrefire semi rifle.

I've heard mini-14, m305, Tavor, SKS, VZ, CZ, etc.

[True North Arms Corp]

Heck they probably want the WK180c, Maccabee SLR, BCL102, Stag10, etc too.
those are all big scary assault nucular things right

[VinnyQC]

I can guarantee that there is a copy of the database on it's last day of operation somewhere. Someone will have put it all on a CD or USB drive somewhere and taken it home. The data itself cannot be that big and would probably fit into MS Access. So don't think they don't have it. Plus, when they removed it did they remove it from the nightly/weekly/monthly/annual backups, that all IT people do, that are also taken off site to somewhere to be stored with someone like Iron Mountain? If they didn't recall all those back ups and scrub them, then it is all still there. By the way, this is not telling them how to do it, it is pointing out I know how they are going to do it. They know who I am from my PAL so it makes no difference when they come to my home. This isn't the US, they know where all the legal owners live. Once they get all the restricted and want the SKS, M305, etc. they will use that old registry to find the last owner. Then, when they haven't pulled enough numbers, they will just go to all the home that intersect on their data mining. This is all about big data and data mining. If you don't think they won't do it, you are wrong.

Peter

It's about 800Mb in csv format.

[VinnyQC]

The only excuse the government is allowed to use for forced expropriation of property is to invoke eminent domain as a necessity. It would be unprecedented for the government to invoke eminent domain to expropriate something out of necessity, and then destroy the thing that it previously thought it needed.

It is a inaccurate and misleading to call the confiscation of firearms an expropriation.
Denying a person's ability to possess their legally owned property is called theft.
Theft under the guise of criminal sanction is called blackmail.
Using money to coerce compliance with theft is called bribery.
Bribery under a threat of criminal sanction is called extortion.

Calling this plan of prohibition Expropriation will actually give it some legitimacy in the eyes of Canadians. Expropriation in the national interest is legal.

Theft, blackmail, bribery, and extortion are not. Call this what it really is.

Ok. Feel free to go to court with that emotional drivel. I'll make money betting against you at every level of our court system.

[Mil Specs]

$1000.00 to $1500.00 a piece so $75,000,000.00 $110,000,000.00 to start for ARs.

How many SKSs out there? $?

How many total black rifles? $?

And the accessories?????

How much for the Pony Soldiers to visit each house?

Heard New Zealand has full cooperation from responsible gunowners........................................

How many SKSs out there? $? 17

How many total black rifles? $? 32 All the rest are probably on the bottom of a lake somewhere . It was a tough year on NR's . And who is going to make sure JT and his Cronies are not just handing out guns to Gang members at the backdoor? The RCMP , The Toronto Police? How many guns did they lose again ...

[PeterMonkey]

It's about 800Mb in csv format.

So it will fit on anything but a floppy disc. It is probably saved on someones C:\ drive and called PersonalExpenses.csv and is moved to the new computer every time they are refreshed. The justification for having it will be "if it saves just one life" when they are caught or release it.

Peter

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In July we filed an Access to Information request with the RCMP, asking for the number of AR-15s registered to individuals. The number was 75,634 as of August 14, 2019.

According to TheGunBlog.ca, there were 66262 AR-15 and related rifles registered to individuals as of April 30.

That's 9102 new registrations or +14% in 3.5 months.

Justin must be the greatest [s]gun[/s] assault rifle salesman in Canada

[VinnyQC]

So it will fit on anything but a floppy disc. It is probably saved on someones C:\ drive and called PersonalExpenses.csv and is moved to the new computer every time they are refreshed. The justification for having it will be "if it saves just one life" when they are caught or release it.

Peter

What do you mean "when they are caught releasing it"? You can download a version right now that's been "obfuscated" for privacy reasons, but contains pretty much the whole enchilada. You can't tell exactly who had which gun, but that's pretty much it.