Gsg-16 legal status - public announcement

Actually Hrsplit, let me retract my statement and agree with you. I was trying hard to play devils advocate for both sides and be impartial, but I was in my shower thinking about this just now and you're right, if I had a NR frt from the lab and someone else's was prohib, i'd go about my own day with my own paperwork and let others deal with their own business.

Youza.
 
guess_kto said:
OK. Story makes sense now. I stopped dealing with IRG after they allowed my credit cards info to be stolen and gave total BS when I (and others) figured out the source of the breach (it was IRG). Apology? None.
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Sadly true. I tried to contact them to let them know and they blew me off.
 
tactical72 said:
Enlighten us.
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Dealer #1 sells Beretta shotguns that he purchased from Stoeger Canada, the importer and distributor exclusively authorized by Beretta for its products in Canada. Not grey market and is covered by the Beretta warranty.

Dealer #2 sells Beretta shotguns that he imports directly from a international seller that is not authorized to distribute Beretta products in Canada. Grey market no warranty.

Grey market selling is not illegal. A large proportion of the watches sold on Amazon are grey market.
 
why so much toxicity over this"? Rifles are in, being distributed, FRt is NR. who knows who called RCMp or If. could be anyone calling crime stoppers and reporting " Large amount of automatic weapons being smuggled into Canada" type.

stay united and strong. Don't feed Anti's and current election hysteria.
 
On the other hand these are Commercial Versions? Not an ordinary classification? That means the powers that be see them as a version of a military firearm, not just one that looks like it. That means it can be readily banned along with all CVs.
 
Technically different

Vewdu said:
Its two different rifles man, you just dont seem to get it. Are they in essence the same? Yes. Are they technically two different guns? YES. There are differences between the ATI version and the Canadian GSG direct model. BL was responsible for the NR classification for the GSG 16.
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The RCMP, as an afterthought, seems to disagree.

In order for the ATI to have been reclassified the way it was, it had to be the case that the RCMP accepted the argument that it was indistinguishable in operation from the GSG BL sells, after the fact. Usually that means they expect to lose a court appeal.

This says a lot about the subjective nature of our gun laws than anything else.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this not mean that we, as Canadian gun buyers, ultimately end up with more options of dealers to buy this gun from? Rather than pointing fingers and assigning blame(which we shouldn't really be doing as we weren't invovled with the process), shouldn't we be happy that we have more options, which should in turn, mean more competitive pricing?
 
CdnCollector420 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this not mean that we, as Canadian gun buyers, ultimately end up with more options of dealers to buy this gun from? Rather than pointing fingers and assigning blame(which we shouldn't really be doing as we weren't invovled with the process), shouldn't we be happy that we have more options, which should in turn, mean more competitive pricing?
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sound good to me. lower price for essentially the same gun (adjustable trigger notwithstanding, what ever that is?).
 
Could someone provide a printable FRT report? The screenshots are great but I was hoping for a more compact B/W version that I could pack when taking it into the bush.
 
Let's face it. Canadians are getting ripped off left and right. I fill a cart of food in Canada, cost me $200, same food with even better quality is less than $100 in Europe (almost anywhere, even the deepest black forest town). A cell phone plan with 5 G and unli whatever cost less than $20 in Europe (even pay as you go), in Canada, oh well you know. Consumers in Europe can buy their car anywhere and still are protected by warranty. I buy a schnitzel in a supermarket in Canada, $10, across the border, same schnitzel (from Canada) is less than $5. We are so ####ed, look at the minimum wages, how come that 50 % of people in Canada are one paycheck away from being bankrupt? No consumer laws, all goes to companies like BL telling us that we don't have warranty on our guns imported from the US. You think they pay more than their US counterpart? Think again.
 
All these dumb laws and I still see news articles where kids get caught with baby Glock 43s all the time. Let us have the Mossberg blaze .22 in a standard 10/22 style, but the same gun with some ak47 style furniture is prohibited. Speaking of 10/22s and the moronic restrictions from the rcmp, what deep-thinker allowed a few Ruger Charger pistols to ban 10/22 hi-caps? Millions of them are out there, making farmers who didn't hear about it criminals over night. Thugs still shoot each other with hi cap mags in Tec-9s from Windsor to Victoria and Toronto has become a third world war zone.
 
scianna54 said:
Let's face it. Canadians are getting ripped off left and right. I fill a cart of food in Canada, cost me $200, same food with even better quality is less than $100 in Europe (almost anywhere, even the deepest black forest town). A cell phone plan with 5 G and unli whatever cost less than $20 in Europe (even pay as you go), in Canada, oh well you know. Consumers in Europe can buy their car anywhere and still are protected by warranty. I buy a schnitzel in a supermarket in Canada, $10, across the border, same schnitzel (from Canada) is less than $5. We are so ####ed, look at the minimum wages, how come that 50 % of people in Canada are one paycheck away from being bankrupt? No consumer laws, all goes to companies like BL telling us that we don't have warranty on our guns imported from the US. You think they pay more than their US counterpart? Think again.
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Think about population (tax base) size vs. services provided vs. land mass.
Different tax systems, internally as well as externally (tariffs/duties).
Can you imaging having Canada's population in a country one third the size of BC? Welcome to Poland. Probably cheaper schnitzel there, given amortisation of trucking rates, etc. Running, and maintaining, a cell network in Poland is probably going to be cheaper than stringing a single line of towers to Prince George, never mind Fort Nelson.

On your last comment, personal/business experience tells me that yes, Blue Line pays a different rate than their US counterpart. Again, tax systems, and throw in economies of scale. Never mind border shenanigans, and the associated cost of wait times and storage/brokerage fees. On this particular firearm, throw in the time and money spent researching and submitting for the FRT. Also trying to make up for trying and being denied for previous FRT designations, or hoping to put some money aside for future submissions.
Personal example: I purchased a scroll compressor for my heat pump out of the US for less than my buddy, a distributor for the brand, could wholesale it to me in Canada.

I find it odd that people up here either A: See this as a grand conspiracy between retailers, or B: Think pricing should be the same in completely different countries. If either was true, why wouldn't a Canadian firearms retailer drop their prices to the lowest on the planet, and blow the competition away?
 
Pretty much guarantee the importer in the US got a better deal than BL. Who would you give a better deal to, a guy with a 2000 pc order, or one with a 20,000pc order. And buying them out of Europe is in Euros, which we are at a disadvantage on as well. And likely a 5 container shipment to the eastern US vs a 1 container shipment to Halifax, or Vancouver, will get a bit better rate, with us again at a disadvantage on the dollar. And cross country freight rates in the US are cheaper than in Canada as well, may be free freight for IRG to their US store. Just those factors alone will bear on the price. BL is stuck with what they have to pay, stuck in more ways than one.
 
smelly pete said:
Think about population (tax base) size vs. services provided vs. land mass.
Different tax systems, internally as well as externally (tariffs/duties).
Can you imaging having Canada's population in a country one third the size of BC? Welcome to Poland. Probably cheaper schnitzel there, given amortisation of trucking rates, etc. Running, and maintaining, a cell network in Poland is probably going to be cheaper than stringing a single line of towers to Prince George, never mind Fort Nelson.

On your last comment, personal/business experience tells me that yes, Blue Line pays a different rate than their US counterpart. Again, tax systems, and throw in economies of scale. Never mind border shenanigans, and the associated cost of wait times and storage/brokerage fees. On this particular firearm, throw in the time and money spent researching and submitting for the FRT. Also trying to make up for trying and being denied for previous FRT designations, or hoping to put some money aside for future submissions.
Personal example: I purchased a scroll compressor for my heat pump out of the US for less than my buddy, a distributor for the brand, could wholesale it to me in Canada.

I find it odd that people up here either A: See this as a grand conspiracy between retailers, or B: Think pricing should be the same in completely different countries. If either was true, why wouldn't a Canadian firearms retailer drop their prices to the lowest on the planet, and blow the competition away?
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I actually did the math at some point. It's all BS what they are trying to tell you. When you calculate the distribution cost of a wiener schnitzel down to the wire, it is a penny to the dollar, if at all. Same with all the other stuff you mentioned. Yes, Canada is a big country but we are talking populated areas which are mostly concentrated South, cut off 90 % of the country and you still have 95 % of the population left in the rest 10 %.
 
209jones said:
Pretty much guarantee the importer in the US got a better deal than BL. Who would you give a better deal to, a guy with a 2000 pc order, or one with a 20,000pc order. And buying them out of Europe is in Euros, which we are at a disadvantage on as well. And likely a 5 container shipment to the eastern US vs a 1 container shipment to Halifax, or Vancouver, will get a bit better rate, with us again at a disadvantage on the dollar. And cross country freight rates in the US are cheaper than in Canada as well, may be free freight for IRG to their US store. Just those factors alone will bear on the price. BL is stuck with what they have to pay, stuck in more ways than one.
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I doubt very much that BL pays more than the US importer BUT all get charged in USD so the exchange rate is a major component. I know for certain that they put in a buffer for that, maybe as high as 10 % (why?). IRG charges in USD on the other hand. On top, retail margins are very high in Canada compared to the US, otherwise why could SFRC routinely offer 15 % discount while the retail profit in the US is a bare 10 %.
 
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