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    Greentips is right... we need to use the momentum and dissatisfaction in the west as part of defending our rights
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    Time to ramp it up again. My MP is going to get a restraining order against me..

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    Western Alienation is not just a "hot topic", trust me on that. It is a very real and growing sentiment within the Western Provinces, namely Alberta and Saskatchewan. From my perspective as an Albertan firearms owner, the best way to prevent a ban has little to do with letter writing and is more realistically focused on Western regional secession from the remainder of Central and Eastern Canada (and presumably the Southern Coast of BC). Western separation is the clearest way that I can see to avoiding a ban not just for the next 4 years, but for the rest of my life and those of my children's children! Of course, the senitiments fuelling Western alienation within Canada have much more to do with economics, resource development, employment and associated standards of living than anything to do with firearms. What I am simply saying is that solving the larger problem will also solve the lesser problem of firearms bans. Such bans would not be entertained in the new, conservative-values Western Nation formerly known as Western Canada. Face it - the ideological gulf between the West and Central and Eastern Canada is simply too wide to address with empty platitudes. Westerners are independent-minded entrepreneurs who value hard work and desire responsible exploitation of their natural resources while they still have market value. Central and Eastern Liberals (not all Central and Eastern Canadians, but far too many) desire a socialist, utopian nanny-state that will address their every need through income-levelling and handouts at the expense of future generations. Painting with a broad brush? Yes, but the element of truth cannot be denied. We now have a "nation" of 3 solitudes - the West, Quebec, and whatever is left of Central and Eastern Canada. Confederation is a failure as regional imperatives (eg. economic survival) assume far more importance than any national aspiration. The current electoral map is a perfect "snap shot" of how Canadians from different regions view their world. Ideas, methods and desired outcomes are far, far different in Alberta than in the Maritimes these days. Empty platitudes regarding "National unity" aren't going to cut it this time. Unlike Quebec's constant game-playing, the West is not fvcking about. We want out. And we'll take our guns with us, thank-you very much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartok5 View Post
    Western Alienation is not just a "hot topic", trust me on that. It is a very real and growing sentiment within the Western Provinces, namely Alberta and Saskatchewan. From my perspective as an Albertan firearms owner, the best way to prevent a ban has little to do with letter writing and is more realistically focused on Western regional secession from the remainder of Central and Eastern Canada (and presumably the Southern Coast of BC). Western separation is the clearest way that I can see to avoiding a ban not just for the next 4 years, but for the rest of my life and those of my children's children! Of course, the senitiments fuelling Western alienation within Canada have much more to do with economics, resource development, employment and associated standards of living than anything to do with firearms. What I am simply saying is that solving the larger problem will also solve the lesser problem of firearms bans. Such bans would not be entertained in the new, conservative-values Western Nation formerly known as Western Canada. Face it - the ideological gulf between the West and Central and Eastern Canada is simply too wide to address with empty platitudes. Westerners are independent-minded entrepreneurs who value hard work and desire responsible exploitation of their natural resources while they still have market value. Central and Eastern Liberals (not all Central and Eastern Canadians, but far too many) desire a socialist, utopian nanny-state that will address their every need through income-levelling and handouts at the expense of future generations. Painting with a broad brush? Yes, but the element of truth cannot be denied. We now have a "nation" of 3 solitudes - the West, Quebec, and whatever is left of Central and Eastern Canada. Confederation is a failure as regional imperatives (eg. economic survival) assume far more importance than any national aspiration. The current electoral map is a perfect "snap shot" of how Canadians from different regions view their world. Ideas, methods and desired outcomes are far, far different in Alberta than in the Maritimes these days. Empty platitudes regarding "National unity" aren't going to cut it this time. Unlike Quebec's constant game-playing, the West is not fvcking about. We want out. And we'll take our guns with us, thank-you very much!

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    I am offering a tactical move for gun owners who can act on.

    There are many issues, and I cannot pretend to be able to offer act-able options even for a few of the many issue. That's why we have a Prime Minister to deal with ti.

    But for guns and guns only, this is an actionable option that can be accomplished by all of us, with most probably traction and possible success.


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    Totally agree - firearm ownership especially semi-autos owned by ranchers, farmers, hunters and target shooters in the West need to be included in the western provinces debate. The Liberals and NDP need to understand that pursuing any new legislation or bans in the face of other critical East-West issues would be a losing proposition!

    In the meantime, we also need to be pushing the various firearm orgs to work together - drop the differences - and develop and implement coordinated plans for a multi-level legal challenge...we must actively oppose any legislative or regulation-making process or legal owners will lose their guns, and it will make the prohibitions in the 1990’s look mild by comparison!
    Are you saying I'm a "gun nut"? I prefer the term "Firearms Enthusiast"...

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    I don’t live in the west, however as an outside perspective it’s a great start to help the country as a whole.

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    In the same manner ON, QC and Eastern provinces gun owners could approach their liberal MPs, " I have family, friends in the West and your policies on guns, carbon taxes etc divide our country. What are you planning to do to stop your party divisive policies and prevent West from secession? "

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    My MP has said the public is afraid of anything other than status quo, he's probably right. We will have to change public opinion to advance IMO. Stalling any bans is a good first step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eulsam View Post
    This is a start. You don't begin with negotiations by demanding everything under the sun. If we can stop the forthcoming ban, we can then work towards and build a case on getting things like the Swiss guns and others that are wrongfully prohib status reverted back to a legal status. Rome wasn't built in a day.
    Actually, you do begin a negotiation with what you want, whether selling/buying a house or car, or obtaining redress of grievance.

    When the Swiss were originally prohibited, I was quick to point out that they would remain in jeopardy until prohibition was repealed.

    Look where we are now, because “our people” were happy to ask for “baby steps.”

    Last time I looked, none of us are that young!
    - Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.
    - All restrictions/prohibitions must be repealed.
    - Middle ground? What middle ground?

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