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    Quote Originally Posted by hamhock View Post
    I think this was spurred on by us Albertans talking to the new Provincial government. Jason Nixon represents a rural area with a very pro gun, hunting community. It also helps that they have no issues with poking the Feds in the eye. This is a very important first step in firewalling Alberta from policies and legislation that we're really not willing to accept. This is a big win for all gun owners , shooters and hunters in Canada.

    All pro gun people need to write their provincial MPP/MLA now to piggy back on this motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamhock View Post
    That's great..Good on you Alberta....I'd love it if the BC Government would do the same thing, but I'm not going to hold my breath..

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    Quote Originally Posted by greentips View Post
    Western alienation is the hottest topic right now. SK Premier Scott Moe has just demanded a new deal with the Federal Government, and Justin Trudeau at least openly admits western alienation is an issue his government is facing. He said he will work with "other parties".

    For gun owners in western province, it is time to immediately make sure both your Federal MPs and Provincial MPPs understand the Liberals' gun ban platform is a large part of the Western Alienation issue along with carbon tax and the pipeline. We need to get the western MPs and MPPs to include the gun ban issue in part of this "new deal" and any negotiation that may follow.

    If you are not in the western provinces, please emphasize to your MP the need to include the western provinces and the importance of unity. This is the best way we have on table to repel the Liberals gun ban platform.
    And here is another reason. Trudeau and his liberal are on thin ice and had to be bailed out by the Conservatives today

    Trudeau's minority Liberal government survives first confidence vote

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...ote/ar-AAJZXb1

    The NDP and BQ are typically unstable as a partner and will run off to count daisies when the Liberals needs support to avoid collapse and another election

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapua001 View Post
    And here is another reason. Trudeau and his liberal are on thin ice and had to be bailed out by the Conservatives today
    Question... Let's say CPC hadn't thrown the Turd a lifeline and had instead forced No Confidence. How would the dominoes have fallen up there? Or is Scheer playing to try to give him enough rope to hang himself? (I doubt the latter, our Republicans aren't that bright and I doubt your Conservatives are either, but there's always the possibility... just like there's always the theoretical possibility that I'll win the Powerball twice in a row. LOL )
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    Quote Originally Posted by lapua001 View Post
    And here is another reason. Trudeau and his liberal are on thin ice and had to be bailed out by the Conservatives today

    Trudeau's minority Liberal government survives first confidence vote

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...ote/ar-AAJZXb1

    The NDP and BQ are typically unstable as a partner and will run off to count daisies when the Liberals needs support to avoid collapse and another election
    Eh, wot? BQ counting daisies? I thought the BQ were all a bunch of
    Goalwahz smoking, beret-wearing, hard-bitten, French radicals!

    I think all Canadians should have well-paying jobs; I'm not crazy about FRACKING, but I'm willing to sacrifice the planet I'm about to bequeath to my kids in order to keep my guns!
    lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Warrior View Post
    I'm a gun collector; I live in British Columbia. In the last century (1980-1989) I lived in northern Alberta, so I understand your sense of "alienation" from our Feds in Ottawa.
    Apparently, BC is no longer considered part of your "West", so I guess that makes me part of the "Extreme West".

    I was disappointed, but not surprised by the result of the recent Federal election. I'd been predicting the Liberals ending with a minority when He bought the pipeline; that cost him a lot of votes.

    But remember, for better or worse, Canada is a Democracy. It's not perfect--it's sorely in need of reform, but it's the best system we've got. 'Electoral Reform' was another one of Trudy's broken promises that resulted in his failure to win the critical seats he needed.

    Threatening our nation with "civil war" is a surefire loser. Things here are not that bad. Do your homework: An authentic civil war would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of our own brothers and sisters, and to what end? Canada would end up being gobbled up by one or more of the Superpowers.

    There are 'Gunnies' in every province, so this is, by far, not an issue special to The West. That's why it's important that those of us wanting to keep our legal firearms unite in our common purpose.

    If you attempt to turn our firearms issues into part of your 'Western Alienation' stand, you may end up losing critical support from the rest of Canada.

    I'm in favour of keeping our existing CANADIAN FIREARMS ACT as is, maybe enforcing the parts regarding acquisition and more in-depth background checks.

    Of course, we all know that "gun control" has been a political football that's put into play at election times, and has little relevance in the 'real world'.
    Rather than insisting our government "repeal" the CFA (a forlorn hope) I think our efforts would be better focused on stopping the trade in illegal guns being funnelled through our borders. If we can show the government, and the voting public, that we're 'all on the same side' when it comes to illegal possession and gang violence, we will cease to be seen as "a bunch of dangerous crackpots whose only interest is in murdering cute, furry creatures in the
    wild.
    "
    We may even be seen as some of "the good guys".
    Regarding this comment you made here: "But remember, for better or worse, Canada is a Democracy. It's not perfect--it's sorely in need of reform, but it's the best system we've got."

    Not to butt in from the states, however, I just wanted to make a comment. I understand that Canada is a democracy and most people think that the United States is as well - it is not although the USA has been operating much like one for over 100 years (with Marxist infiltration) and we have had the disintegration of our Bill of Rights because of it. Democracy is mob rule by which 51% of the people can vote away 49% of the peoples' rights and liberties

    NEVER BE PROUD TO SAY THAT YOU LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WHICH IS MOB RULE AND SOCIALISM – THE WORD DEMOCRACY IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE ENTIRE U.S. CONSTITUTION:

    "Democracy, will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes, and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure and every one of these will soon mold itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues, and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."
    - John Adams

    "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
    - John Adams

    "A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way."
    - Fischer Ames

    "A simple democracy is the devil's own government."
    - Benjamin Rush

    "It is one of the evils of democratical governments, that the people, not always seeing and frequently misled, must often feel before they can act right; but then evil of this nature seldom fail to work their own cure."
    - George Washington (Washington abhorred democracies and stated this in Maxims of George Washington.)

    "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
    -James Madison

    "We are now forming a Republican form of government. Real liberty is not found in the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments. If we incline too much to democracy we shall soon shoot into a monarchy, or some other form of a dictatorship."<
    - Alexander Hamilton

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” Although Ben Franklin has been credited with coming up with this statement, it has not been completely verified but it is a great analogy of what “democracy” really is. Ben Franklin was also very specific when asked about what kind of government was formed, right after he exited Independence Hall, after deliberations of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 ended. A Mrs. Powel asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin immediately responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” With much of America today referring to the United States as a democracy, it looks like we may not be keeping it.

    Is a newscaster, politician, academic professor, political writer, conservative or liberal talk show host or even a modern-day Supreme Court justice more qualified to speak on what our government truly is than a U.S. Founding Father? Why would the Founders of this nation, who recognized democracies as failed government institutions, create one? The short answer is that they would not and they did not.

    Also, the USA government did not give US citizens ANYTHING in the Bill of Rights, the Bill of Rights recognizes God-given freedoms and liberties and it is a RESTRAINT on government. The 2nd Amendment has to do primarily with the defense of one's life and liberty against tyranny and genocide NOT just a defense against robbers and rapists like even our CONservative celebrities only talk about.

    So, the next time someone tells you how great that "democracy" is or says that the USA is a "democracy" let them know how wrong they are. DEMOCRACY=SOCIALISM
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    I think this is a Canada wide issue and the best way to tackle it is to go at it as a unified front not a separate west vs east thing. Judging by the numbers in the online poll to date the support seems to be close on both sides of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Warrior View Post
    I'm a gun collector; I live in British Columbia. In the last century (1980-1989) I lived in northern Alberta, so I understand your sense of "alienation" from our Feds in Ottawa.
    Apparently, BC is no longer considered part of your "West", so I guess that makes me part of the "Extreme West".

    I was disappointed, but not surprised by the result of the recent Federal election. I'd been predicting the Liberals ending with a minority when He bought the pipeline; that cost him a lot of votes.

    But remember, for better or worse, Canada is a Democracy. It's not perfect--it's sorely in need of reform, but it's the best system we've got. 'Electoral Reform' was another one of Trudy's broken promises that resulted in his failure to win the critical seats he needed.

    Threatening our nation with "civil war" is a surefire loser. Things here are not that bad. Do your homework: An authentic civil war would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of our own brothers and sisters, and to what end? Canada would end up being gobbled up by one or more of the Superpowers.

    There are 'Gunnies' in every province, so this is, by far, not an issue special to The West. That's why it's important that those of us wanting to keep our legal firearms unite in our common purpose.

    If you attempt to turn our firearms issues into part of your 'Western Alienation' stand, you may end up losing critical support from the rest of Canada.

    I'm in favour of keeping our existing CANADIAN FIREARMS ACT as is, maybe enforcing the parts regarding acquisition and more in-depth background checks.

    Of course, we all know that "gun control" has been a political football that's put into play at election times, and has little relevance in the 'real world'.
    Rather than insisting our government "repeal" the CFA (a forlorn hope) I think our efforts would be better focused on stopping the trade in illegal guns being funnelled through our borders. If we can show the government, and the voting public, that we're 'all on the same side' when it comes to illegal possession and gang violence, we will cease to be seen as "a bunch of dangerous crackpots whose only interest is in murdering cute, furry creatures in the
    wild.
    "
    We may even be seen as some of "the good guys".

    Welcome to the forum Bill.

    Or should I say, Minister Blair.

    That firearms act you like so much was designed to support the effort to ensure that, in the not so distant future, it will be unlawful to use, carry, or possess firearms.

    Every aspect of that law is an extreme violation of the Canadian right to arms.

    Not appropriate Bill, at any speed.
    To demonstrate that people can actually go to the moon and back, you use the American experience.
    To demonstrate that public safety is not adversely affected by responsible people carrying to protect life, you also use the American experience.



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