1886 Steyr Kropatschek collection almost finished

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Just got the 1886 Colonial rifle today, now we just wait for the "short" rifle imported from US.

They are not too much value but part of the Euro military rifle history, we like to have them all display in our store front.

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You are very optimistic in regards of "collection almost finished". Apart of infantry carbine there was artillery carbine and then cavalry carbine. And there was cavalry carbine converted from artillery. Like this one. Those babies are extremely hard to find.

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Anyone have a full-power load they use?

I'm shooting 215gr .330" cast, gas checked, 46.5gr of H4895 with a filler.

Ideally I would want to shoot a heavier bullet so I don't have to use a filler.

Military bullet was a .320" 245gr gilded metal jacket. My bore measures .330", lands are ~.315". I might have to get a custom mold made for a ~250gr .330" RN.

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Horilka said:
You are very optimistic in regards of "collection almost finished". Apart of infantry carbine there was artillery carbine and then cavalry carbine. And there was cavalry carbine converted from artillery. Like this one. Those babies are extremely hard to find.

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OMG, I don't think even can find any of them anymore.......
 
JaredP said:
Anyone have a full-power load they use?

I'm shooting 215gr .330" cast, gas checked, 46.5gr of H4895 with a filler.

Ideally I would want to shoot a heavier bullet so I don't have to use a filler.

Military bullet was a .320" 245gr gilded metal jacket. My bore measures .330", lands are ~.315". I might have to get a custom mold made for a ~250gr .330" RN.

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Total only about 4000 carbine available, now we at least have 3 here.....
 
I sold both the carbine and a colonial version to a fellow CGN in the Eastern provinces a couple of months ago...Both were all numbers matching along with cleaning rods and bayos...however bayo numbers did not match the rifles...From what I know he also has a collection of these rifles and fires them on a regular basis Hopefully he will chime in regards to reloading etc.
 
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I sold both the carbine and a colonial version to a fellow CGN in the Eastern provinces a couple of months ago...Both were all numbers matching along with cleaning rods and bayos...however bayo numbers did not match the rifles...From what I know he also has a collection of these rifles and fires them on a regular basis Hopefully he will chime in regards to reloading etc.
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Matching number ones are very rare!
 
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So people say 8x60R and 8x56R are interchangeable, is it true?
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The confusing bit is that 8×56mmR is more commonly used to refer to the Austrian M95 rifle cartridge.

8×56mmR Kropatschek I believe is the smokeless iteration, 8x60mmR was only blackpowder. Most chambers I think will accept either, only the neck is longer on the 8x60.
 
Just got the short rifle! Now I am happy!

From top, the carbine, the short rifle, the long rifle, the colonial rifle.

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I don’t know much about these guns, but Iam absolutely in love with the look of that carbine. Being a tubular magazine I guess pointed bullets are out of the question, so would they fire 8x56r styer? Forgive my ignorance, I live milsurps and milsurp ammo but don’t know much about these.
 
Do you have more info on this?

I have one of these and for 2 years now have been trying to find out more about the stud on the side and coming up blank. Please tell me you have some info on them or where I could look to find more.




Horilka said:
You are very optimistic in regards of "collection almost finished". Apart of infantry carbine there was artillery carbine and then cavalry carbine. And there was cavalry carbine converted from artillery. Like this one. Those babies are extremely hard to find.

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Craig0ry said:
I don’t know much about these guns, but Iam absolutely in love with the look of that carbine. Being a tubular magazine I guess pointed bullets are out of the question, so would they fire 8x56r styer? Forgive my ignorance, I live milsurps and milsurp ammo but don’t know much about these.
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Nope, 8x56R Austrian is not the same as 8x56R Kropatschek.
 
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I have one of these and for 2 years now have been trying to find out more about the stud on the side and coming up blank. Please tell me you have some info on them or where I could look to find more.
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I believe it's the inversion of a saddle-ring. The stud rides in a ring on the saddle, as opposed to a ring on the rifle riding on a stud on the saddle.

For mounted troops around the turn of the 20th century, the saddle ring carbines were quite common. Some rifles would instead use a scabbard on the saddle for storage, like the martini-metford and LEC rifles.

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Why not just buy a Lee .338 mold and size it down? Read an article about a fellow doing that with a 8x56R Hungarian which is not the same but shares the same groove size.Clover leaves at 50 yards.
 
Horilka said:
You are very optimistic in regards of "collection almost finished". Apart of infantry carbine there was artillery carbine and then cavalry carbine. And there was cavalry carbine converted from artillery. Like this one. Those babies are extremely hard to find.

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There is also the "Financial guard" carbine :)
 
mbogo3 said:
Why not just buy a Lee .338 mold and size it down? Read an article about a fellow doing that with a 8x56R Hungarian which is not the same but shares the same groove size.Clover leaves at 50 yards.
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This is a good option, assuming the mold drops at bit heavier than the 220gr advertised. I'm using the Lee 329-205 mold which drops at 214gr.
 
I just found this thread, any updates on the Kropatschek store display ? I have the colonial model and I just got back from the range with her with plenty more trips in mind. These rifles are extremely well built for their time.
 
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