CDX-40 Shadow rifle in 375 EnABELR

[Cadex Defence]

Prohib.

Wrong... 375 EnABELR is still non-restricted.

375 and 408 Cheytac are currrently prohibited.

[Go_Big_Tactical]

Thanks Tom for posting this. You are correct the 375 EnABELR is not Prohibited we will still be producing the CDX40 Shadow system in this caliber for the Canadian market.

Cheers,
Ryan

No problem Ryan, we'll hold onto hope it stays this way!

[Max Owner]

What would it take to get a 375 Chey Tac switched over to an EnABELR?

[LR1250]

375 Enablers muzzle energy with heaviest load is 9600 joules. And the energy creeps down after that with the 2 other lighter ELR projectiles.

[VinnyQC]

375 Enablers muzzle energy with heaviest load is 9600 joules. And the energy creeps down after that with the 2 other lighter ELR projectiles.

You wanna bet that's it's not "capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules"?

Keep in mind people, if the law says one thing and the FRT another, it just means the FRT is wrong, and might eventually be fixed.

[LR1250]

You can hand load almost anything as hot as your heart desires. Look at the factory loadings that what I would go with. Not the assumption that you just posted

[justmessing]

Off topic maybe - perhaps Tom or Ryan can chime in.

With regards to Cadex specifically as a manufacturer, what happens with currently in stock prohibited rifles?

If GBT has 50s and cheytacs in stock, do they go back to Cadex? Would you then be able to export to other countries? Same question for rifles that haven’t been sent out to retailers yet.

I feel for companies like ATRS and Cadex who supplied a market that was overnight no longer in existence.

[lacroian]

Prohib.

Wow, i see you have no clue what you are talking about

[VinnyQC]

You can hand load almost anything as hot as your heart desires. Look at the factory loadings that what I would go with. Not the assumption that you just posted

How confident do you feel about convincing a judge that "capable of" means "there are factory loads for it", and doesn't actually means "capable of"? Keep in mind that you could fall on the same judges that have decided that some SA lower are indeed full-auto lower, on the basis that all you need to modify them is a machine shop.

Even if somehow, you end up with a very lenient judge who accepts that the limit on the energy is "factory loading" (won't happen, but let's suppose for the sake of arguing), how confident are you that no factory will do like buffalo bore does with the 44magnum and 357 magnum rounds are start producing factory heavy loads? To push a 9.6kj projectile up to 10kj, it's only a 4% difference. On velocity, it's a 2% difference. 10kj is actually in the margin of error of a 9.6kj ammunition.

As for "You can hand load almost anything as hot as your heart desires", it is more or less true. The physical limit is the cartridge capacity. You need about 3.3 square cm of capacity to produce 10kj of energy. So going by theory alone, any cartridge with that capacity is "capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules". To give you an idea, a 308Win case has a capacity of 3.6 sq cm.

So are 308Win prohibited? Probably not, as some energy is lost during the process that transform the potential energy in the powder to kinetic energy in the bullet. But I have no doubt that right now, someone could do jail time for a 338Lapua magnum or larger.

The words "capable of" encompasses a lot. And there's a principle in law: "The legislator doesn't mean anything it doesn't say and doesn't say anything it doesn't mean". After looking at the laws and the facts, a crown prosecutor should feel confident to go ahead with charges if someone sells, transport or use a 338LM, so you can imagine how a 375enabler isn't even a question.

[Go_Big_Tactical]

Off topic maybe - perhaps Tom or Ryan can chime in.

With regards to Cadex specifically as a manufacturer, what happens with currently in stock prohibited rifles?

If GBT has 50s and cheytacs in stock, do they go back to Cadex? Would you then be able to export to other countries? Same question for rifles that haven’t been sent out to retailers yet.

I feel for companies like ATRS and Cadex who supplied a market that was overnight no longer in existence.

Not to step on Cadex toes but this would be between the dealer and them. If the dealer possessed the appropriate licence they can continue to keep the prohibited firearms. I'm sure this is as overwhelming for Cadex as everyone else right now but they will look after their dealers who have these rifles. More important we need to unite owners and other Canadians to overturn this injustice