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Thread: ATRS Update: May 20th 2020 Re: MS / MH / MV

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    You don't have to forgive JR, but we have to acknowledge that he is just as important in this fight as anyone else.

    I agree people can change, I've experienced it myself and he's proving it by all the work he is pushing forward in cooperation with the other interested parties.

    This petty whining needs to end. The anti gun crowd is smaller but because they push one message relentlessly that is how they are beating us.

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    Here’s a thought.
    Why don’t the businesses fund their own legal battles? It’s their lively hood on the line.
    And let the rest of us support the orgs.
    And while we’re on the topic of Shady business, there’s a lot of site vendors who’s guilty of some sort of shenanigans.
    Keep in mind these businesses got their own self interest in mind first and foremost.

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    I like the ideas coming forward about financial support for success! Too often it sounds to good to be true but we buy it anyway and hope it works out only to be disappointed with the results! We have all been kind of sucked in like liberal voters! But without the handouts, only take aways!!
    If we could get united, 2.2 million Pal/Rpal holders each donating a dollar a month could build a pretty sizeable war chest so to speak in a very short time to fund different groups and challenges on many different fronts! I like the mention of the 1000 cuts heading their direction for a change! We need to also hold them accountable for all our money they will spend to try and enforce their will upon us! As always they throw out a low ball # to the media for release when this will actually cost in the billions!
    Agriculture gets 250 million, half of which was already budgeted?
    WHO gets 850 million for off shore research! Trying to buy that seat on council?
    9 billion to students? Oh right, they are future voters!
    450 million for fish harvesters? Oh right, the east is still supporting his party!
    Hmmm, every day he come out and panders our tax dollars to a new group of potential voters! It’s got to stop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajax148 View Post
    I like the ideas coming forward about financial support for success! Too often it sounds to good to be true but we buy it anyway and hope it works out only to be disappointed with the results! We have all been kind of sucked in like liberal voters! But without the handouts, only take aways!!
    If we could get united, 2.2 million Pal/Rpal holders each donating a dollar a month could build a pretty sizeable war chest so to speak in a very short time to fund different groups and challenges on many different fronts! I like the mention of the 1000 cuts heading their direction for a change! We need to also hold them accountable for all our money they will spend to try and enforce their will upon us! As always they throw out a low ball # to the media for release when this will actually cost in the billions!
    Agriculture gets 250 million, half of which was already budgeted?
    WHO gets 850 million for off shore research! Trying to buy that seat on council?
    9 billion to students? Oh right, they are future voters!
    450 million for fish harvesters? Oh right, the east is still supporting his party!
    Hmmm, every day he come out and panders our tax dollars to a new group of potential voters! It’s got to stop!
    You're making me sad for all my tax dollars.... They're being abused and molested by this government.

    Anyone an expert on organizing protests? The fact that Calgary's mayor spoke in favour of the may 1st gun ban suggests to me that city Hall or the street in front of his house, needs a good protest/demonstration.

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    Sorry I didn’t mean to!
    The notion that a government can protect its individual citizens is a myth fed to sheep to herd them. It’s the sheep dogs that do the hard work. To supply and maintain a force to try and protect the citizens is plausible, but people need to be responsible for themselves, their actions and be respectful to others if we are to have a civil society.
    Justin’s admiration for China and the UN’s socialist world order ideals does not bode well for Canada and all of our individual rights and freedoms we enjoy, although some more infringed upon than others at this time!
    On Gun Nuts we are all preaching to the choir and arguing amongst ourselves! Your idea of protest is excellent and will get mainstream coverage if they are allowed to report on it! Protest works as we have recently seen across Canada! If we can get the truth out to the mislead people and can present real information not just virtue signalling, explain costs versus results promised as real fiction we will gain support!!
    Hopefully and unfortunately, these times will bring our community together and stronger!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSE JR View Post
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    But you were still selling/taking orders for the MS copy 2 days after the FRT of MS went prohib. So how can you sell a copy of MS (from the 19th to the 21st) knowing that the original went prohib on the 19th?

    I am not trying to stir sh!t, just trying to understand the logic so if your books gets subpoenaed the buyers will be protected because frankly pleading ignorance (when the discussion of MS went prohib on the evening of the 19th is all over the forum,including your own thread) might not be a good defense in this case.

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    I proudly support ATRS. Anyone doing business with a snake like JR and TSE is out of their minds.

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    Let it go! We all need to support each other and every action in our defence if we are going to get anywhere, except maybe extinct if we can’t get our crap together! And fast and united!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluidmax View Post
    But you were still selling/taking orders for the MS copy 2 days after the FRT of MS went prohib. So how can you sell a copy of MS (from the 19th to the 21st) knowing that the original went prohib on the 19th?

    I am not trying to stir sh!t, just trying to understand the logic so if your books gets subpoenaed the buyers will be protected because frankly pleading ignorance (when the discussion of MS went prohib on the evening of the 19th is all over the forum,including your own thread) might not be a good defense in this case.
    The Live FRT was made solely for importers and those who have connections with museums. Thatís why very few people have access to it. The Business FRT is made for businesses to buy/sell/trade firearms. As far as I know, the Modern Sporter is only prohibited on the Live FRT. As long as youíre not importing it or keeping it in a museum, you wonít get in any trouble. And as long as the Business FRT shows it as non-restricted, youíre free to buy, sell, trade them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluidmax View Post
    But you were still selling/taking orders for the MS copy 2 days after the FRT of MS went prohib. So how can you sell a copy of MS (from the 19th to the 21st) knowing that the original went prohib on the 19th?

    I am not trying to stir sh!t, just trying to understand the logic so if your books gets subpoenaed the buyers will be protected because frankly pleading ignorance (when the discussion of MS went prohib on the evening of the 19th is all over the forum,including your own thread) might not be a good defense in this case.
    The MS is mistakenly prohib. in the RCMP’s personal diary/ directory of firearms.

    It is not named in IOC and is still NR in the public FRT system.

    Hopefully the whole IOC gets tossed because it’s lunacy, but it is law, while the private FRT of the RCMP is not.

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