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    John, I noticed on the Federal Court of Canada website that your JR which was registered this week under case number T-581-20, is missing the $50 filing fee. FYI

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACPKING View Post
    John, I sent my statement just now, hopefully it's what you need

    excited to see all these court actions being filed.

    I am trying to get some comments from Stag USA on the design considerations for the Stag-10 and it's origins. If they can get me the info I need in time I hope to file my own challenge specifically for the stag-10 using that technical data from the manufacturer as well as the missing "pre OIC" technical notes by the RCMP Lab in the FRT tables. Figured I'd get a statement in on your challenge in case I can't get all my ducks in a row for my own challenge.


    great to see everyone donating.
    I told my brother to spread the news at the Vancouver/New Westminster Longshoreman's halls as there are loads of hunters and sports shooters among their Union ranks.
    Gonna make up some Fight The Ban information sheets and post them all over our rural town. Lots of hunters around here and home to the Lone Butte BC 3 gun shoots.
    Spread the word!!


    Here is my letter and I encourage other Indigenous folks who may be reading this to climb on the train.

    figured I'd post it here . The wife wants to post it to facebook LOL

    To Whom It May Concern

    My name is XXXXXXXX, I am a Citizen of the BC Metis Nation, a firearms owner, a hunter gatherer and a proud Canadian. I am a descendant of Onchimanhos/Chief Little Hunter of the Saddle Lake Cree Nation. Our ancestor was a signatory of Treaty 6, a fact that my family has not forgotten.

    I am writing today to express how the Minority Liberal Party Government's Bill C-71 and subsequent Order in Council enacted May 1st 2020, banning thousands of firearms is negatively affecting my life.
    I am disabled with mobility and load bearing disabilities and I have, for the past 20 years , hunted with a semi automatic rifle due to the action be easier to operate due to my circumstances. In 2018 , while a Liberal Government held power, the RCMP firearms lab reviewed and classified the STAG -10 family of rifles. These firearms were deemed non restricted by the firearms lab and appeared at retail stores soon after. The cost of my firearm after outfitting with accessories for hunting such as a sling, spare magazines, a scope mount and finally a scope totalled in excess of 3000.00 and took me over a year to save for. My previous semi automatic hunting rifle was a heavier firearm and as I age I was wanting something lighter and a bit more modular. A modern firearm is what I was looking for and in the Stag 10 family of rifles, I found exactly what I required so that I can continue hunting , as per my S35 constitutional rights. I finally completed assembling the firearm and planned to field it in the 2020 hunting seasons. Much to my dismay, the Liberals, with a minority government and no proper democratic consultation, issued an Order In Council banning my firearm and the 2 other semi automatic firearms I have owned and hunted with for over 2 decades without incident. Total value of these 3 firearms exceeds $8000.00 not including ammunition and reloading supplies.

    As an Indigenous person I am deeply troubled by the "one law for them, one law for us" wording of the Order In Council. This Order establishes race based law that makes it okay for Indigenous people to use their now prohibited firearm for hunting for sustenance but any non indigenous Canadians who do the same are guilty of criminal acts.
    This is disturbing to me on many levels and is an affront to Truth and Reconciliation. It is also a direct violation of the constitution and should be struck down. Across social media platforms people are upset because of the perception that there is one rule of law for indigenous and one for everyone else. This is causing an atmosphere of Division and negative comments towards Indigenous. This lies directly at the feet of Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair who have done everything in their power to mislead and outright lie to the Canadian Public to further whatever end game they are playing with the Canadian Democratic Process, The Charter of Rights and Freedoms/Bill of Rights. The Liberals were voted in with promises of Truth and Reconcilliation and promised fact based legislation based on real evidence to support policy. This Order In Council which bans my privately owned property was not formed on the basis of Truth as the Facts and Evidence are being ignored by the liberal party. This OIC does nothing to further Reconciliation due to it's race based language and the effect that is having on non indigenous firearms owners.

    This OIC, which I feel strongly is against the Constitution and our Rights as Canadians is shaking any trust I have in this government and it's ability to honor the democratic process in Canada. It is on days like today that I think of Louis Riel and his struggles that entrenched him as a Hero to the Metis and I have to ask myself what he would do?
    The Liberal party, Since Pierre Elliot Trudeau have consistently abrogated Canadian's Rights to firearms thru successive government mandates and now they are abusing their emergency powers , afforded during a pandemic, to further abrogate our Rights. Releasing an OIC during a pandemic with a minority government is beyond the pale and absolutely makes a mockery of the Canadian Democratic Process.

    I hope and expect that Canada's courts will find these actions by the Liberal Party to be unconstitutional and undemocratic as well as racially biased and strike down this malicious attack on Canada's Firearms owners and our property.

    With Great Sincerity

    XXXXXX , 100 Mile House, BC
    Nicely done.

    That letter has so many points that are kryptonite for Liberals. I like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wolverine View Post
    I an delighted to report that Ed Burlew has reached out to the lawyers of all four actions and a cooperating alliance has been formed between our Lawyers.

    Quote from Ed Burlew
    "We have all agreed to work co-operativley to share resources and to create a united front to the Federal Government Department of Justice. By this combination of sharing our resources and experience as a cohesive legal team we have confidence in success."

    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACPKING View Post
    ....Here is my letter and I encourage other Indigenous folks who may be reading this to climb on the train.

    figured I'd post it here . The wife wants to post it to facebook LOL

    To Whom It May Concern

    My name is XXXXXXXX, I am a Citizen of the BC Metis Nation, a firearms owner, a hunter gatherer and a proud Canadian. I am a descendant of Onchimanhos/Chief Little Hunter of the Saddle Lake Cree Nation. Our ancestor was a signatory of Treaty 6, a fact that my family has not forgotten.

    I am writing today to express how the Minority Liberal Party Government's Bill C-71 and subsequent Order .....
    That was beautiful written. Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melvin View Post
    Also wondering if we push hard enough can we get a blanket ban on all semi-automatic firearms to make our point of an ban on undefinable weapons a moot point. We need to be careful we don’t drag everyone down with us.
    No...

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    Read the whole thing, very well written... Respectable work... Will sleep well tonight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACPKING View Post
    John, I sent my statement just now, hopefully it's what you need

    excited to see all these court actions being filed.

    I am trying to get some comments from Stag USA on the design considerations for the Stag-10 and it's origins. If they can get me the info I need in time I hope to file my own challenge specifically for the stag-10 using that technical data from the manufacturer as well as the missing "pre OIC" technical notes by the RCMP Lab in the FRT tables. Figured I'd get a statement in on your challenge in case I can't get all my ducks in a row for my own challenge.


    great to see everyone donating.
    I told my brother to spread the news at the Vancouver/New Westminster Longshoreman's halls as there are loads of hunters and sports shooters among their Union ranks.
    Gonna make up some Fight The Ban information sheets and post them all over our rural town. Lots of hunters around here and home to the Lone Butte BC 3 gun shoots.
    Spread the word!!


    Here is my letter and I encourage other Indigenous folks who may be reading this to climb on the train.

    figured I'd post it here . The wife wants to post it to facebook LOL

    To Whom It May Concern

    My name is XXXXXXXX, I am a Citizen of the BC Metis Nation, a firearms owner, a hunter gatherer and a proud Canadian. I am a descendant of Onchimanhos/Chief Little Hunter of the Saddle Lake Cree Nation. Our ancestor was a signatory of Treaty 6, a fact that my family has not forgotten.

    I am writing today to express how the Minority Liberal Party Government's Bill C-71 and subsequent Order in Council enacted May 1st 2020, banning thousands of firearms is negatively affecting my life.
    I am disabled with mobility and load bearing disabilities and I have, for the past 20 years , hunted with a semi automatic rifle due to the action be easier to operate due to my circumstances. In 2018 , while a Liberal Government held power, the RCMP firearms lab reviewed and classified the STAG -10 family of rifles. These firearms were deemed non restricted by the firearms lab and appeared at retail stores soon after. The cost of my firearm after outfitting with accessories for hunting such as a sling, spare magazines, a scope mount and finally a scope totalled in excess of 3000.00 and took me over a year to save for. My previous semi automatic hunting rifle was a heavier firearm and as I age I was wanting something lighter and a bit more modular. A modern firearm is what I was looking for and in the Stag 10 family of rifles, I found exactly what I required so that I can continue hunting , as per my S35 constitutional rights. I finally completed assembling the firearm and planned to field it in the 2020 hunting seasons. Much to my dismay, the Liberals, with a minority government and no proper democratic consultation, issued an Order In Council banning my firearm and the 2 other semi automatic firearms I have owned and hunted with for over 2 decades without incident. Total value of these 3 firearms exceeds $8000.00 not including ammunition and reloading supplies.

    As an Indigenous person I am deeply troubled by the "one law for them, one law for us" wording of the Order In Council. This Order establishes race based law that makes it okay for Indigenous people to use their now prohibited firearm for hunting for sustenance but any non indigenous Canadians who do the same are guilty of criminal acts.
    This is disturbing to me on many levels and is an affront to Truth and Reconciliation. It is also a direct violation of the constitution and should be struck down. Across social media platforms people are upset because of the perception that there is one rule of law for indigenous and one for everyone else. This is causing an atmosphere of Division and negative comments towards Indigenous. This lies directly at the feet of Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair who have done everything in their power to mislead and outright lie to the Canadian Public to further whatever end game they are playing with the Canadian Democratic Process, The Charter of Rights and Freedoms/Bill of Rights. The Liberals were voted in with promises of Truth and Reconcilliation and promised fact based legislation based on real evidence to support policy. This Order In Council which bans my privately owned property was not formed on the basis of Truth as the Facts and Evidence are being ignored by the liberal party. This OIC does nothing to further Reconciliation due to it's race based language and the effect that is having on non indigenous firearms owners.

    This OIC, which I feel strongly is against the Constitution and our Rights as Canadians is shaking any trust I have in this government and it's ability to honor the democratic process in Canada. It is on days like today that I think of Louis Riel and his struggles that entrenched him as a Hero to the Metis and I have to ask myself what he would do?
    The Liberal party, Since Pierre Elliot Trudeau have consistently abrogated Canadian's Rights to firearms thru successive government mandates and now they are abusing their emergency powers , afforded during a pandemic, to further abrogate our Rights. Releasing an OIC during a pandemic with a minority government is beyond the pale and absolutely makes a mockery of the Canadian Democratic Process.

    I hope and expect that Canada's courts will find these actions by the Liberal Party to be unconstitutional and undemocratic as well as racially biased and strike down this malicious attack on Canada's Firearms owners and our property.

    With Great Sincerity

    XXXXXX , 100 Mile House, BC
    Good stuff! Have you reached out to Arms East? They may have a bit more pull with Stag to get you the info you are looking for...
    BE PREPARED - Noah didn't build the Ark when it was raining!
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    Well sir I now see you in a different light. Thank you.
    In the past I can't say I followed or agreed with all of your posts.
    Which is good.With one point of view one never grows as a person.

    This post besides having my point of view.Shows the reasons for balance in all laws.
    Some good laws are for different people, places and times.
    But they need to be to bring balance not divide and conquer.

    I hope your post wakes poeple up.
    Letting one group or area keep their firearms longer than others is temporary. You will loose them!
    We need to all stand together to keep our property permanently .

    False hope of registering them all to be grandfathered back to your closet.You loose, they are now worthless.

    Being satisfied you have a safer type of firearms and can keep it.
    Your still the peasant who could not be trust with other firearms.You will loose your "type" next.

    Sorry for getting off topic.I just wanted to say your letter was very well composed

    I just get worked up when people block out that they have told us these exceptions for
    certain people or types of firearms are temporary.


    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACPKING View Post
    John, I sent my statement just now, hopefully it's what you need

    excited to see all these court actions being filed.

    I am trying to get some comments from Stag USA on the design considerations for the Stag-10 and it's origins. If they can get me the info I need in time I hope to file my own challenge specifically for the stag-10 using that technical data from the manufacturer as well as the missing "pre OIC" technical notes by the RCMP Lab in the FRT tables. Figured I'd get a statement in on your challenge in case I can't get all my ducks in a row for my own challenge.


    great to see everyone donating.
    I told my brother to spread the news at the Vancouver/New Westminster Longshoreman's halls as there are loads of hunters and sports shooters among their Union ranks.
    Gonna make up some Fight The Ban information sheets and post them all over our rural town. Lots of hunters around here and home to the Lone Butte BC 3 gun shoots.
    Spread the word!!


    Here is my letter and I encourage other Indigenous folks who may be reading this to climb on the train.

    figured I'd post it here . The wife wants to post it to facebook LOL

    To Whom It May Concern

    My name is XXXXXXXX, I am a Citizen of the BC Metis Nation, a firearms owner, a hunter gatherer and a proud Canadian. I am a descendant of Onchimanhos/Chief Little Hunter of the Saddle Lake Cree Nation. Our ancestor was a signatory of Treaty 6, a fact that my family has not forgotten.

    I am writing today to express how the Minority Liberal Party Government's Bill C-71 and subsequent Order in Council enacted May 1st 2020, banning thousands of firearms is negatively affecting my life.
    I am disabled with mobility and load bearing disabilities and I have, for the past 20 years , hunted with a semi automatic rifle due to the action be easier to operate due to my circumstances. In 2018 , while a Liberal Government held power, the RCMP firearms lab reviewed and classified the STAG -10 family of rifles. These firearms were deemed non restricted by the firearms lab and appeared at retail stores soon after. The cost of my firearm after outfitting with accessories for hunting such as a sling, spare magazines, a scope mount and finally a scope totalled in excess of 3000.00 and took me over a year to save for. My previous semi automatic hunting rifle was a heavier firearm and as I age I was wanting something lighter and a bit more modular. A modern firearm is what I was looking for and in the Stag 10 family of rifles, I found exactly what I required so that I can continue hunting , as per my S35 constitutional rights. I finally completed assembling the firearm and planned to field it in the 2020 hunting seasons. Much to my dismay, the Liberals, with a minority government and no proper democratic consultation, issued an Order In Council banning my firearm and the 2 other semi automatic firearms I have owned and hunted with for over 2 decades without incident. Total value of these 3 firearms exceeds $8000.00 not including ammunition and reloading supplies.

    As an Indigenous person I am deeply troubled by the "one law for them, one law for us" wording of the Order In Council. This Order establishes race based law that makes it okay for Indigenous people to use their now prohibited firearm for hunting for sustenance but any non indigenous Canadians who do the same are guilty of criminal acts.
    This is disturbing to me on many levels and is an affront to Truth and Reconciliation. It is also a direct violation of the constitution and should be struck down. Across social media platforms people are upset because of the perception that there is one rule of law for indigenous and one for everyone else. This is causing an atmosphere of Division and negative comments towards Indigenous. This lies directly at the feet of Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair who have done everything in their power to mislead and outright lie to the Canadian Public to further whatever end game they are playing with the Canadian Democratic Process, The Charter of Rights and Freedoms/Bill of Rights. The Liberals were voted in with promises of Truth and Reconcilliation and promised fact based legislation based on real evidence to support policy. This Order In Council which bans my privately owned property was not formed on the basis of Truth as the Facts and Evidence are being ignored by the liberal party. This OIC does nothing to further Reconciliation due to it's race based language and the effect that is having on non indigenous firearms owners.

    This OIC, which I feel strongly is against the Constitution and our Rights as Canadians is shaking any trust I have in this government and it's ability to honor the democratic process in Canada. It is on days like today that I think of Louis Riel and his struggles that entrenched him as a Hero to the Metis and I have to ask myself what he would do?
    The Liberal party, Since Pierre Elliot Trudeau have consistently abrogated Canadian's Rights to firearms thru successive government mandates and now they are abusing their emergency powers , afforded during a pandemic, to further abrogate our Rights. Releasing an OIC during a pandemic with a minority government is beyond the pale and absolutely makes a mockery of the Canadian Democratic Process.

    I hope and expect that Canada's courts will find these actions by the Liberal Party to be unconstitutional and undemocratic as well as racially biased and strike down this malicious attack on Canada's Firearms owners and our property.

    With Great Sincerity

    XXXXXX , 100 Mile House, BC
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    I'm a little overwhelmed by the responses I have gotten to that letter both here in this thread and the number of pm's I've received.
    I can't respond to everyone, it would take a couple hours LOL but I sure do appreciate the responses. Thank you.

    I hope it can be used to support the cause.

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