Info for challenge needed

.223 Remington rifles is what's said.

Funny that they say the caliber but not rifle used. Further that alone could be used as ammunition to keep a couples MSR's off the list.
 
Uther419 said:
.223 Remington rifles is what's said.

Funny that they say the caliber but not rifle used. Further that alone could be used as ammunition to keep a couples MSR's off the list.
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I stand corrected. Regardless, photos that are shown are bolts. But yes agreed
 
TSE JR said:
Dear Shooters,

I am looking for info on:

1) The Deer cull by the hired NZ'ers... It sounds like they used AR15s... but I need to track down concrete info.

2) More info on the OIC reversal in 1978/79 in regards to the AR15 being moved from the Prohibited cat to "Restricted"...

Thanks,

JR
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JR.

Not sure what argument you need to substantiate.

Not sure about alberta hunting regs, but in onatrio regs the species specific firearms rules are set out by caliber and firesrm type, ie rifle shotgun, etc. Never by action or classification.

As long as a person can get an ATT for a restricted firearm, the provincial hunting rules would permit the use of any rifle that meets the caliber requirements.

If AR15 or any such firearm was inappropriate for use youd think the province would say so.
 
Can any photos be found of them in the helos? Semi auto being a better choice for airborne work by the looks of the hog hunting nowadays. Maybe they had minis? If they used bolt guns they were amazing shots!
 
Cameron SS said:
JR.

Not sure what argument you need to substantiate.

Not sure about alberta hunting regs, but in onatrio regs the species specific firearms rules are set out by caliber and firesrm type, ie rifle shotgun, etc. Never by action or classification.

As long as a person can get an ATT for a restricted firearm, the provincial hunting rules would permit the use of any rifle that meets the caliber requirements.

If AR15 or any such firearm was inappropriate for use youd think the province would say so.
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Cam, just not leaving anything to chance. I have been asked by my legal beagles to poke at the peripherals.

JR
 
Ajax148 said:
Can any photos be found of them in the helos? Semi auto being a better choice for airborne work by the looks of the hog hunting nowadays. Maybe they had minis? If they used bolt guns they were amazing shots!
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https://www.texasspecialtyhunts.com/uploads/6/9/1/1/69118765/unnamed_orig.jpg


https://s.hdnux.com/photos/41/15/40/8706069/3/480x480.jpg
 
TSE JR said:
Cam, just not leaving anything to chance. I have been asked by my legal beagles to poke at the peripherals.

JR
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Of course. Pursue every angle.

Personally I dont think proving that firearms are currently being used for sich purpose really matters at law. The restriction in 115.15 of the code is not to refrain from banning firearms that are being used, but to ban firearms that are reasonable for use, whether they are actually being used or not.

The fact that not one province in Canada has expressly banned the AR 15 for hunting purposes is a tacit admission that each province has independantly determined that there is no reason to do so, and therefore such firearms are not unreasonable for use.

BC has banned short barreled firearms for hunting, presimably because they are unreasonable for use.

Ontario specifically requires rifles or shotguns for certain species. Where not expressly stated the implication is that ANY firearm would be reasonable for use.

Does the minister of punlic safety think that every single provincial minister responsible for hunting has been wrong for 40+ years?
 
Sorry, I should have specified, are there any photos of the individuals involved with the deer culling showing any use of semi automatic firearms?? That could help us out with them being suitable for taking down a deer!
 
Pointdexter said:
1)https://vancouversun.com/news/local...wcm/8a8298a4-3e16-4269-9d91-20bac02557ad/amp/

2)Joe Clark took the AR 15 off the restricted list during his short term in office as PM as I recall.
-- Helsinki Cowboy;11409586 (Joe Clark Prime Minster 1979-1980)
in 1977, Ottawa made the Colt AR-15 semi-automatic rifle a restricted weapon, much to the consternation of gun groups. Joe Clark’s government reversed this decision, although the Liberals again declared it a restricted arm in 1998.


Pre-1977 - Non-Restricted
1977 to 1979 - Restricted (Trudeau - Bill C-51 - Criminal Law Amendment Act - Introduced FAC)
1979 to 1992 - Non-Restricted (Joe Clark)
1992 onwards - Restricted (Mulroney with Kim Campbell - Bill C-17 - SOR/98-462)

-- ctcs;11410369
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Nothing like outsourcing
 
Also look into the CWD cull on the Alberta Saskatchewan border, from what I can remember I had heard of multiple sorties being flown from helicopters and deer being harvested with AR15's. There was also an outcry for the mass graves of deer that Fish and Feathers were running as well.
 
Please explain the differences of a 223 round travelling through the air at 100 yards fired from an AR15 and another 223 round at 100 yards fired from a bolt action rifle. Unless your hitting something in the head with a gun its the bullet that does the damage and is the actual dangerous part that kills. Might as well say Mikita power tools are banned because their blue color makes them more dangerous than Rigid which is orange. Explaining anything to a Liberal you might as well run flat out and dive face first into a cement wall for all you will accomplish, I only hope the overwhelming level of stupid and ignorance of Liberalism has not rendered our court system incapable of ruling on facts and evidence. Good luck with the challenge I look forward to being able to use my property again soon.
 
Ravage said:
Please explain the differences of a 223 round travelling through the air at 100 yards fired from an AR15 and another 223 round at 100 yards fired from a bolt action rifle. Unless your hitting something in the head with a gun its the bullet that does the damage and is the actual dangerous part that kills. Might as well say Mikita power tools are banned because their blue color makes them more dangerous than Rigid which is orange. Explaining anything to a Liberal you might as well run flat out and dive face first into a cement wall for all you will accomplish, I only hope the overwhelming level of stupid and ignorance of Liberalism has not rendered our court system incapable of ruling on facts and evidence. Good luck with the challenge I look forward to being able to use my property again soon.
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Liberal response: "You are right - both are the same, I can see that now - let's ban both!"
 
My google-fu.

htt**://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/8d1en2/is_canada_paying_new_zealand_deer_hunters_to_use/

Vancover Sun - Ottawa spends 5.7 million on deer eradication in Haide Gwaii futuring New Zealand sharpshooters

htt**://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ottawa-spends-5-7-million-on-deer-eradication-in-haida-gwaii-featuring-new-zealand-sharpshooters

The hard men of helicopter deer hunting
htt**://www.noted.co.nz/life/life-life-in-nz/the-hard-men-of-helicopter-deer-hunting

htt**://internationalfreepress.com/2018/04/11/sharpshooters-in-helicopters-employed-by-ottawa-to-cull-deer-on-haida-gwaii/

Video (not in canada but looks like they are using an ar15 type of rifle)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g1ZC24CT8g&feature=youtu.be&t=1m9s

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These guys are Canadians (Working for the park, patrol officer, ranger, etc).

I don' have facebook but if someone wants to check if they have any hunting friends from N.Z. This may lead to semi-auto pictures of the hunt. Every articles I read, there is minimum talk about firearms and authors do their best to keep firearms from the pictures/spotlight.

Tauren Anton Collinson - htt**://www.facebook.com/tauren.collinson
Tauren Collinson - htt**://www.haidagwaiiobserver.com/community/friends-and-family-raising-funds-for-tauren-collinson/ (sad stuff, injured his spine)
James Bulbrook - htt**://www.facebook.com/james.bulbrook
Jason Brown - Haida Park Warden In the Gwaii Haanas Nationa Park Reserve - htt**://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/relationships/born-green/article724099/

These guys may be N.Zs. But I can't find any info on them. They still look like they are using bolt rifles. If anyone is going to be using semis it will be the chopper crew.

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