Remington bankruptcy ?

If they survive maybe, after trigger guards, they'll make the receiver plastic too..... to recovers losses.

Won't be popular here but i avoid american brand. They are crap now.
 
I had pre-ordered a 870 tac 14 hardwood from a dealer on cgn... will these still come in ?
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Yes, we are still (and will still be) getting shipments from Remington and they will continue producing product.
 
I bought a Bushmaster ACR and the QC was terrible. Scratches and scuffs all over what was supposed to be a brand new rifle.
The bolt carrier group looked like it had seen 5000 rounds.

Luckily I managed to return it and bought a Swiss APC 223 instead, spotless.

I still hope Remington sells the ACR rights to another company, I’ll happily give it another chance.
 
Chapter 11 means they are filing for protection against creditors and looking to restructure their debts. So basically they are unable to make principle payments to debts as well as interest payments, so they are looking for ways to negotiate with the creditors to figure out a way out.

So they are NOT shutting down in its normal operation, but they are not allowed to make some big corporate decision like spinning things off or disposing assets without OK from the creditors while in Chapter 11. These creditors are parties that hold bonds, convertible bonds, loans....that sort of things. Generally not the suppliers that send parts and materials that keep the production running.

Basically they will negotiate their way out somehow and someone is going to take a haircut. Companies like Remington is probably worth way more as a company making products than just the logo itself separated from the fire sale of the machines sitting in the factory.
 
Rick911 said:
If they survive maybe, after trigger guards, they'll make the receiver plastic too
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You say that like it's a bad thing, after plastic has been a major component in firearms usage for 70 years.

The vast majority of people complaining about the use of plastic know very little about plastic.

For the G36 standard issue rifle the receiver housing, stock, trigger group (including the fire control selector and firing mechanism parts), magazine well, handguard and carry handle are all polymers.

Time to move on.
 
Bratwurst said:
You say that like it's a bad thing, after plastic has been a major component in firearms usage for 70 years.

The vast majority of people complaining about the use of plastic know very little about plastic.

For the G36 standard issue rifle the receiver housing, stock, trigger group (including the fire control selector and firing mechanism parts), magazine well, handguard and carry handle are all polymers.

Time to move on.
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Yes but there are definitely examples of guns that use too much plastic in the wrong places and perhaps not the best quality of plastics. For example the Keltec SU16 platform; the plastic piece that holds the upper receiver to the lower receiver has a tendency of breaking due to the impact of the bolt flying back and hitting that area. When that happens the gun is rendered inoperable and the poor sucker who bought that rifle new has to go through the tedious and drawn out process of sending it back for Keltec warranty work unless they bought the gun used off the CGN EE, in which case they are S.O.L. i just hope Remington doesn't go full Keltec after this.
 
Teppo87 said:
Yes but there are definitely examples of guns that use too much plastic in the wrong places and perhaps not the best quality of plastics. For example the Keltec SU16 platform; the plastic piece that holds the upper receiver to the lower receiver has a tendency of breaking due to the impact of the bolt flying back and hitting that area. When that happens the gun is rendered inoperable and the poor sucker who bought that rifle new has to go through the tedious and drawn out process of sending it back for Keltec warranty work unless they bought the gun used off the CGN EE, in which case they are S.O.L. i just hope Remington doesn't go full Keltec after this.
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I for one avoid plastic guns like the plague. Yes some of them or more "modern" and light but I just feel like guns should be metal and buy accordingly.
 
Teppo87 said:
Yes but there are definitely examples of guns that use too much plastic in the wrong places and perhaps not the best quality of plastics. For example the Keltec SU16 platform; the plastic piece that holds the upper receiver to the lower receiver has a tendency of breaking due to the impact of the bolt flying back and hitting that area. When that happens the gun is rendered inoperable and the poor sucker who bought that rifle new has to go through the tedious and drawn out process of sending it back for Keltec warranty work unless they bought the gun used off the CGN EE, in which case they are S.O.L. i just hope Remington doesn't go full Keltec after this.
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Perhaps this is because the SU16 is a... POS. An alternative example would be, say, the plastic on a Bushmaster ACR.
 
Teppo87 said:
Yes but there are definitely examples of guns that use too much plastic in the wrong places and perhaps not the best quality of plastics. For example the Keltec SU16 platform; the plastic piece that holds the upper receiver to the lower receiver has a tendency of breaking due to the impact of the bolt flying back and hitting that area. When that happens the gun is rendered inoperable and the poor sucker who bought that rifle new has to go through the tedious and drawn out process of sending it back for Keltec warranty work unless they bought the gun used off the CGN EE, in which case they are S.O.L. i just hope Remington doesn't go full Keltec after this.
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That's true, we can point to literally any material and point to where it has been used in the wrong place.

We can also point to how a type of material has been used incorrectly, like using spruce instead of walnut for a gun stock. It's not aan argument against using wood it's an argument against using spruce.

If Remington went Keltec then it would be a incredible on the basis that it's a very large firearms maker who would be acting with great amounts of innovation. i'd love that :)
 
platnumbob said:
I for one avoid plastic guns like the plague. Yes some of them or more "modern" and light but I just feel like guns should be metal and buy accordingly.
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I support your right to choose but ultimately you're just making your own life harder. It's like how car designers incur (and of course pass on) costs in making sure that the doors on a car make a specific heavy noise when closed because the customer wants it to sound like something firm and heavy aka: "quality".

This misguided belief in what quality is just means the car costs more but performs the same function.

In the case of guns using metal and wood where plastic could be used to the same result you're paying more, carrying more and sometimes achieving a worse result.

So long as consumers continue to push for and purchase outdated technologies, materials and more the market will take longer to improve.

Where you want to buy it because you like how it looks aesthetically then good on you, for anything else it's time to move on.
 
Bratwurst said:
That's true, we can point to literally any material and point to where it has been used in the wrong place.

We can also point to how a type of material has been used incorrectly, like using spruce instead of walnut for a gun stock. It's not aan argument against using wood it's an argument against using spruce.

If Remington went Keltec then it would be a incredible on the basis that it's a very large firearms maker who would be acting with great amounts of innovation. i'd love that :)
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I agree with you that if Remington went Keltec in terms of the unique innovation that they exhibit in their designs that would be great - just so long as they omit the poor execution of guns like the SU16. I have nothing against plastic being used on guns so long as it is done right. A prime example of a gun that uses a lot of plastic done right is the Beretta CX4 Storm carbine - one of the best, most reliable modern carbines I've ever tried.
 
Remington files for bankruptcy every couple years.
There's a ton of companies that do it.

It's like a fancy version of this game.

 
Bratwurst said:
You say that like it's a bad thing, after plastic has been a major component in firearms usage for 70 years.

The vast majority of people complaining about the use of plastic know very little about plastic.
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Like the people who work at Remington, apparently

Bratwurst said:
For the G36 standard issue rifle the receiver housing, stock, trigger group (including the fire control selector and firing mechanism parts), magazine well, handguard and carry handle are all polymers.

Time to move on.
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Said every recent Remington customer.
 
Bratwurst said:
You say that like it's a bad thing, after plastic has been a major component in firearms usage for 70 years.

The vast majority of people complaining about the use of plastic know very little about plastic.

For the G36 standard issue rifle the receiver housing, stock, trigger group (including the fire control selector and firing mechanism parts), magazine well, handguard and carry handle are all polymers.

Time to move on.
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Yes, the fact that its a lot cheaper must be a coincidence.

No correlation here. Time to move on.
 
Rick911 said:
Yes, the fact that its a lot cheaper must be a coincidence.

No correlation here. Time to move on.
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As I said earlier, plastic is an excellent material, the fact that one type may have been used innappropriately is not a case against plastic as a whole.

Remington has seemingly gone downhill, but you've provided 0 evidence that plastic had anything to do with it
 
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