Pierre Poilievre... Wood Grows on Trees but Money Doesn't

[Anthony Nardelli]

'My stereotypes'? I posted a definition from Wikipedia (with the caveat it's close enough, which is to say it's not ideal), and referenced personal experiences working in the oil field, talking with people who literally have no idea how economy and politics work, cohesively or not.
You care to argue with it, you can literally go in and edit it yourself. Just be prepared to back up your assertions. They're kind of important when you're writing the definition of something.

And can people PLEASE stop referencing totalitarian regimes as being an example of any spectrum of the political sphere. And lumping Nazism and Fascism in with Socialism? Anthony Nardelli, you're crazy, (which hey, is fine, we're called gun nutz for a reason), but more importantly, you think everyone else is an idiot, which is more than just insulting.
If you're going to educate yourself, maybe you should include the really important part of any education, which is getting graded on your understanding of the knowledge you pertain to understand. The so called Peer Review part of legitimate academics. I'm thinking you left that part out.

I'm not trying to upset anyone but was merely setting the facts straight from a historical context. If you feel that I'm off base on the subject, that is fine as I can accept constructive criticism. However, calling me crazy is not appropriate discussion tone. In addition, you definitely do not know what I think and to suggest I consider everyone to be idiots is an unwarranted inference on your part. Furthermore, I did 'educate' myself on the matter, which is why I ventured my comment. My political science professor, Douglas Verney (PhD), didn't seem to take issue with my analysis.

[bogusiii]

'My stereotypes'?

Yes, surely you can see that. Post #65 is classic.

You can see it....right??

[bigplinker]

Yes, surely you can see that. Post #65 is classic.

You can see it....right??

You point out any yellow vest/wexit people that aren't racist bigots, I'll eat my words. But I've worked with a lot of them, and any I've met have been exactly that, whatever the reasoning or experiences behind such beliefs. It's not an over simplification. It's an accurate description of the inherent driving force that brings these people to these factions WITHIN right wing politics in this country. And there's no point bringing up left wing extremists in this country, which we all know exist, although definitely have different understandings of what defines them. We're talking about the CPC here; the left wing nuts deserve their own conversation.

And if you're going to reference a Pol Sci professor with a PhD (again, this isn't the first time you've referenced said academic in backing your crazy logic) (and I say crazy because the historical record of facts says different, and here you are rambling it off anyway) I'm pretty sure he's, literally, supposed to speak up for you, not you speak through his name. Where's a link to your thesis, so that we can see he's willing to 'not take issue' with your analysis?

Yelling people that Nazism, Fascism, and Communism all stem from the left/socialist end of the political spectrum is a complete lie. Fabrication.
And you spouting it off as facts is nothing other than a propagation of evil (fun fact: every single member of the yellow vest and wexit groups I have encountered has spouted the same false narrative, which has me concerned about who you're all getting your info from, and how?). Fascism and Nazism came from the right wing, where the few control the economy for the good of the state, Communism came from the left wing, where the many control economy for the good of the state (these are extreme over simplifications, but they are accurate, distinct, and most importantly easy to grasp in your mind as definitions of the respective 'ends' of the political spectrums), and all 3 of them stepped off their respective political diving boards and became Totalitarian Regimes.
Which is a completely different kettle of fish. Because when you're willing to use a police force to step on the throats of the public, and ignore their human rights to push your agenda, political motivation has completely left the building.

[bogusiii]

You point out any yellow vest/wexit people that aren't racist bigots, I'll eat my words. But I've worked with a lot of them, and any I've met have been exactly that, whatever the reasoning or experiences behind such beliefs. It's not an over simplification. It's an accurate description of the inherent driving force that brings these people to these factions WITHIN right wing politics in this country. And there's no point bringing up left wing extremists in this country, which we all know exist, although definitely have different understandings of what defines them. We're talking about the CPC here; the left wing nuts deserve their own conversation.

And if you're going to reference a Pol Sci professor with a PhD (again, this isn't the first time you've referenced said academic in backing your crazy logic) (and I say crazy because the historical record of facts says different, and here you are rambling it off anyway) I'm pretty sure he's, literally, supposed to speak up for you, not you speak through his name. Where's a link to your thesis, so that we can see he's willing to 'not take issue' with your analysis?

Yelling people that Nazism, Fascism, and Communism all stem from the left/socialist end of the political spectrum is a complete lie. Fabrication.
And you spouting it off as facts is nothing other than a propagation of evil (fun fact: every single member of the yellow vest and wexit groups I have encountered has spouted the same false narrative, which has me concerned about who you're all getting your info from, and how?). Fascism and Nazism came from the right wing, where the few control the economy for the good of the state, Communism came from the left wing, where the many control economy for the good of the state (these are extreme over simplifications, but they are accurate, distinct, and most importantly easy to grasp in your mind as definitions of the respective 'ends' of the political spectrums), and all 3 of them stepped off their respective political diving boards and became Totalitarian Regimes.
Which is a completely different kettle of fish. Because when you're willing to use a police force to step on the throats of the public, and ignore their human rights to push your agenda, political motivation has completely left the building.

Yikes.....

1. You just proved my point, no you doubled down....good show!!

2. Are you even sure that rant is directed at me? I didn't once mention any of the doo you just threw.

3. Kay, y'all met one yellow vest ya met 'em all. I guess.

4. Alright, you turn things around in your last sentence or two. I 100% agree with you on those points.

[Anthony Nardelli]

And if you're going to reference a Pol Sci professor with a PhD (again, this isn't the first time you've referenced said academic in backing your crazy logic) (and I say crazy because the historical record of facts says different, and here you are rambling it off anyway) I'm pretty sure he's, literally, supposed to speak up for you, not you speak through his name. Where's a link to your thesis, so that we can see he's willing to 'not take issue' with your analysis?

Yelling people that Nazism, Fascism, and Communism all stem from the left/socialist end of the political spectrum is a complete lie. Fabrication.
And you spouting it off as facts is nothing other than a propagation of evil (fun fact: every single member of the yellow vest and wexit groups I have encountered has spouted the same false narrative, which has me concerned about who you're all getting your info from, and how?). Fascism and Nazism came from the right wing, where the few control the economy for the good of the state, Communism came from the left wing, where the many control economy for the good of the state (these are extreme over simplifications, but they are accurate, distinct, and most importantly easy to grasp in your mind as definitions of the respective 'ends' of the political spectrums), and all 3 of them stepped off their respective political diving boards and became Totalitarian Regimes.

I cannot begin to address the all the nonsense in your post. To speak in such hyperbole and absolutes demonstrates your inability to tolerate a dissenting position. No one is 'yelling' except maybe you given the vehemence of your wording and aspersions. You even refute your own statements when you compare Communism and Nazism, demonstrating they are variants of socialism.

[bigplinker]

I cannot begin to address the all the nonsense in your post. To speak in such hyperbole and absolutes demonstrates your inability to tolerate a dissenting position. No one is 'yelling' except maybe you given the vehemence of your wording and aspersions. You even refute your own statements when you compare Communism and Nazism, demonstrating they are variants of socialism.

I'm absolutely willing to tolerate dissenting opinion when they're based on truth. You've offhandedly written something that is a complete lie (Nazism and Fascism being socialist), and not for the first time. That's not dissent. You're propagating lies. And reading the discourse between you and bogusiii, you're doing it in such a way as to appeal to people who think you can get an education from anything without it being graded on/tested against the truth of the 20th century, by professional educators who've learned the importance of Truth and Integrity in Education and the Education System.
'You can't begin to address' should be changed to 'you can't' refute anything I've said because you're making stuff up and incapable of providing information that is foundational knowledge in regard to the the history of the last 150 years.

Yelling was a misspell I left, telling was the original word, but yelling seemed adequate because if you're not willing to listen to the truth, and instead hold fast to the lies you propagate (that you may or may not in fact believe in; such is the bases for the propagation of evil I've mentioned), you might as well be lying.
And it's become painfully obvious your comprehensive reading skills are severely lacking if you find anything in what I've written that refutes the fact the 20th century example of Communism (not the actual definition of communism as it was written down in the 19th century) was a socialist schism, and Nazism and Fascism are capitalist schisms.
Pray tell, are you by chance Canadian yellow vest/wexit acolytes/fans? Do you think the natives were completely out of line in protesting last spring?

[bigplinker]

Here's a question for you fine gentlemen:

If, as you say, socialism was responsible for the birth of the 3 largest -isms of evil of the 20th century (Fascism, Nazism, and, ahem, Communism), what evil, totalitarian -ism did capitalism lead to in the last 150 years? Just curious what your thoughts are in that regard?

[Milanczar]

You point out any yellow vest/wexit people that aren't racist bigots, I'll eat my words. But I've worked with a lot of them, and any I've met have been exactly that, whatever the reasoning or experiences behind such beliefs. It's not an over simplification. It's an accurate description of the inherent driving force that brings these people to these factions WITHIN right wing politics in this country. And there's no point bringing up left wing extremists in this country, which we all know exist, although definitely have different understandings of what defines them. We're talking about the CPC here; the left wing nuts deserve their own conversation.

And if you're going to reference a Pol Sci professor with a PhD (again, this isn't the first time you've referenced said academic in backing your crazy logic) (and I say crazy because the historical record of facts says different, and here you are rambling it off anyway) I'm pretty sure he's, literally, supposed to speak up for you, not you speak through his name. Where's a link to your thesis, so that we can see he's willing to 'not take issue' with your analysis?

Yelling people that Nazism, Fascism, and Communism all stem from the left/socialist end of the political spectrum is a complete lie. Fabrication.
And you spouting it off as facts is nothing other than a propagation of evil (fun fact: every single member of the yellow vest and wexit groups I have encountered has spouted the same false narrative, which has me concerned about who you're all getting your info from, and how?). Fascism and Nazism came from the right wing, where the few control the economy for the good of the state, Communism came from the left wing, where the many control economy for the good of the state (these are extreme over simplifications, but they are accurate, distinct, and most importantly easy to grasp in your mind as definitions of the respective 'ends' of the political spectrums), and all 3 of them stepped off their respective political diving boards and became Totalitarian Regimes.
Which is a completely different kettle of fish. Because when you're willing to use a police force to step on the throats of the public, and ignore their human rights to push your agenda, political motivation has completely left the building.

This is the way Commies talk.

[Anthony Nardelli]

Here's a question for you fine gentlemen:

If, as you say, socialism was responsible for the birth of the 3 largest -isms of evil of the 20th century (Fascism, Nazism, and, ahem, Communism), what evil, totalitarian -ism did capitalism lead to in the last 150 years? Just curious what your thoughts are in that regard?

This is the way Commies talk.

Indeed!

[Anthony Nardelli]

Here's a question for you fine gentlemen:

If, as you say, socialism was responsible for the birth of the 3 largest -isms of evil of the 20th century (Fascism, Nazism, and, ahem, Communism), what evil, totalitarian -ism did capitalism lead to in the last 150 years? Just curious what your thoughts are in that regard?

Well, crony capitalism could be categorized as an offshoot. I'm not sure I would characterize it as totalitarian type evil but definitely corrupt. Authoritarian/state capitalism that is espoused by China currently strikes me as problematic as well.