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to be fair, there are health risks to all surgeries..? there's a risk to drowning if you use water? legal gun owners cause the 95+% of crime they dont pepetrate?Originally Posted by Element82
this is the weakest form of fraud the government could be exposed as without consequences. Look at the scandals
SINGLE ISSUE VOTER. Vote CPC or gun bans I'd rather be judged my 12 than carried by 6.
A guide to filing an ATIP:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...n-ATIP-Federal
South Africa had a scandal like this recently. After enacting much stricter gun control the results of an internal police study were leaked showing that they predicted that gun control would have a negligible effect on crime and that more policing was needed.
Also in the 90's the Clinton administration commissioned a gun control study by the department of justice. One of the findings was that more people's lives were saved by legal guns that were killed by illegal guns.
I suspect there were similar inconvenient findings in the governments studies which is why they want to hide them.
No it’s not, governing by lying is detrimental to democracy. What’s next? Confiscating bank accounts to fight climate change, or fast cars to reduce pedestrian deaths… I personally think that exposing government fraud is a good thing.
Curious........
Suppose we get a new government next time, can they just throw out the OIC or do they have to actively re-legalize all the guns the IMP stole from us??
if it's the latter we are pretty much screwed, ya?
The current government will never get a buy back plan approved and any new government will drop the buy back plan for sure but without re-legalizing the firearms, what are we left with??
From the wikipedia link you posted...
"On 21 April 1856, Australian stonemasons in Victoria undertook a mass stoppage as part of the eight-hour workday movement.[8] It became a yearly commemoration, inspiring American workers to have their first stoppage.[9] 1 May was chosen to be International Workers' Day to commemorate the 1886 Haymarket affair in Chicago.[10] In that year beginning on 1 May, there was a general strike for the eight-hour workday. On 4 May, the police acted to disperse a public assembly in support of the strike when an unidentified person threw a bomb. The police responded by firing on the workers. The event led to the deaths of seven police officers and four to eight civilians; sixty police officers were injured, as were one hundred and fifteen civilians.[11][12] Hundreds of labour leaders and sympathizers were later rounded-up and four were executed by hanging, after a trial that was seen as a miscarriage of justice.[13][nb 1] The following day on 5 May, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the state militia fired on a crowd of strikers killing seven, including a schoolboy and a man feeding chickens in his yard.[15]"
$5 says that's not the only thing in your post you were misrepresenting.
Never forget that the Canadian Forces Stand on Guard for Thee. Remember to repay that with True Patriot Love
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Regarding Individuals manufacturing a firearm:
Based on the comments I have been reading in this thread, I find it disturbing that members are publicly making empirical statements and giving advice about what you can and cannot do under the current laws and stating that as fact.
It is true that the traditional interpretation of the Firearms Act has been that making a firearm for yourself was one method of acquiring (ie. "Acquisition" of) a firearm, and the PAL was looked upon as protection for individuals partaking in the making of their own firearm for their personal use (of the same class as within their PAL licence privileges). There are remnants of this interpretation being the opinion of the RCMP/CFP scattered throughout the archived RCMP/CFP web pages.
My personal interpretation, is to begin by looking at the definition of "trafficking" in any dictionary. Does a person making something that is legal for them to own, and then keeping it for themselves in any way meet that definition? Is it possible that s.99 was not written to capture an individual making an object (that can be legally owned by them) that is never intended to, and never leaves their own hands? Why was it apparently the RCMP/CFP's opinion for so many years before? If these questions are not answered in the courts, then the discussion is still open about what the correct interpretation is.
Having said that, it is important that everyone knows that the authorities have clearly (at some point fairly recently) changed their interpretation of the relevant sections of the CC & FA and you are in legal peril if you manufacture a firearm without the appropriate manufacturing licence.
No matter what your interpretation is, as in all matters of law - only a Judges opinion matters. As such, no one should publicly offer any interpretation as "correct" unless it is backed by legal precedent.
Even though my own personal opinion is that the traditional interpretation is correct. I also know that the only way for me to obtain a judges opinion on the matter is to go before them - facing criminal charges. I have no interest in making a firearm, but if I did, I would choose to follow the path that puts me in the least legal peril. That is also the only advice that should be recommended, if any is to be given, in a public forum.
No matter what your opinion of the correct interpretation, this is bad advice to post publicly:
"People should begin constructing their own firearms and teaching others to do so.
Just make sure that you ONLY build non-restricted class firearms.
As a PAL holder you are allowed to build your own guns, however you must register them if you build a Restricted one.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../fulltext.html"
This is one interpretation being stated as fact, when the courts have not provided guidance:
The best post I have seen on this: the authorities "will prosecute you" and then a judge will later decide your fate:
Last edited by SharpCdn; 07-19-2021 at 09:06 AM.
Pro Patria
But an amazing opportunity for a great reset.
If your a legal firearms owner do not vote for the liberals this fall!!!!!! Friends don't let friends vote liberal!!!!!
Last edited by LR1250; 08-08-2021 at 12:51 AM.
It's funny to see the infighting going on in this post (and the community really). The goal here is to oust turd eau from the parliament, anything else can wait. And no, no just because of his "war on guns", but because someone of his like, who doesn't have a gram of truth within, is not fit for the office and we are being done a great disservice. Canada deserves better, not a politician but a statemen who knows what's right or wrong and will disregard the political consequences if the work is truly necessary.
So I go out and I buy a stock, a trigger group and barreled action. Take it home and put it together to make a rifle, but the action isn't really smooth as glass so I break out a file and sand paper to give some finishing touches. Did I just manufacture a rifle or assemble one? Am I now guilty of a criminal offence?
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