I don't get the obsession with accuracy?
If someone wanted to shoot that slowly and accurately; Wouldn't they be using a bolt-action rifle?
No need to waste time here. People who willing to buy it must have already called or emailed to sign that list on TSE.
Post up your 5x5 groups of sub moa, witnessed at the range - no called flyers and I will emt you $20.
A BT APC 223 won't do it so a budget 180 won't.
Seriously? A "Finely tuned MCR"? I think he is calling out people claiming those things as 'consistent sub-MOA' rifles as (rightly) full of sh!t.
What does it have to do with this R18 rifle?
Well for starters, if people are looking for a new rifle and see honest photos of realistic groups here, but listen to snake oil salesmen claiming another, similar but cheaper rifle will out-perform it by an exceptional margin, then I think there is good reason to call out those posts for what they are; horse sh!t.
You have no cut off point? 4 to 5 MOA is good then?This!
How about 5k. Let's put your money where your mouth is. Let's say the cost of a new APC.
This thread is for discussion of the new rifle, so is (in my estimation) a great place to waste time! That said, what is this TSE "list" you speak of, and how does one get their name on it?!?
How about 5k. Let's put your money where your mouth is. Let's say the cost of a new APC.
My biggest gripe right now is the picatinny butt stock section... Why? WHen 90% of people will be using AR buffer tubes and stocks, and many will want an end plate sling part there, what the heck is the thought of putting a section of picatinny there, to add a buffer tube adapter, to screw a buffer tube into? If we are talking about saving cost on a base rifle, wouldn't machining the upper like any other AR15/MCR rear makes things easier, and maybe cheaper from a machine/extra piece perspective?
Second point; with discussions in part 1 saying the Mk3 will ship with a folding stock... is this ONLY going to be a folding stock? Seems silly to force an entire run to be made in a version a minority will want. I see an overwhelming majoring of people just wanting a standard buffer tube/endplate back end on their rifle to run standard tube and stock versions.
i think accuracy came up because the original review compared the rifle to the wk/ws. so, while most seem good with a 2-3 moa rifle out of the box, how does the stock accuracy of the r18 compare to a wk? that was where it all came from. even if the original review didn't make the comparison people would be doing it themselves regardless - twice the price, looks cooler, lighter but due to barrel and less accurate (comparatively) as a result? doesn't work so well in the cold. anything else about potential double ejectors or heavier springs is just speculation (albeit informed i suppose) that requires proving by the vendor and not the reviewer.
unlimited variety of Buttstock styles.
In any case, I expect that the Canadian market will adapt to give consumers Picatinny Buttstock options if sufficient demand is generated by the R18 and/or other Canadian or US Modern Sporting offerings.
Where is this overwhelming majority of users preferring a standard AR Buttstock that you speak of? Are you sure that you are not confusing what YOU want with what the average R18 Mk3 user might prefer? If all Mk3s are sold with the Zhukov Folder, then everyone should be satisfied. Don't need the folding capability? Then don't use it.
Bartok,
Any idea when we will see more rounds/reliability data and are you going to be getting an “updated” version to highlight the changes? Accuracy is in the wheelhouse however still hoping to see wear and reliability info.
I should have the same Test Rifle back in my hands with strengthened Operating Springs by the end of the week, with further testing to follow. I have some different brands of ammo to try (eg. Win White Box 55 gr) as well as 3 different factory Match 77 gr loads. That ought to answer the accuracy potential question more conclusively.
Unfortunately my returned Test Rifle will not have all of the other improvements that are now part of the Production Drawings. An Adjustable Gas Block to "balance" the increased Operating Spring tension comes immediately to mind as a desirable addition. However, Accuracy, Reliability and Wear/Tear testing will continue regardless. I will leave it to JR Cox and SAI to conduct their promised 1000-round, time-lapse video reliability test with the Production model of the R18 Mk2.