How about ONE LARGE EFFECTIVE lobby group?

[Odinson]

Great attitude.

His choice of words might not be great but otherwise he is right. Really, what have they done?

Talking to gun owners and getting some agreement is like herding cats ...... well now that I think of it, herding cats is easier..

At some point in the very near future, we are going to ALL need to get onto the same page to try and save our sport. ONE ORG to represent us because now, all the various groups cannot "command" the face to face time that one org truly representing us would.

[uglydukwling]

One big organization sounds like a good idea, but there's one aspect of the idea that bothers me. A single big organization is so much easier to demonize. Any argument we try to make has probably already been advanced by the NRA and that is sufficient reason to dismiss it. "Gun owners think like the NRA, so they should be exterminated." Maybe several smaller organizations can seem more like a grass-roots movement, perhaps with one specializing in court challenges and legal defense, another specializing in lobbying, another in public education.

Anyhow, tiny4 is probably right. Even if a monolithic organization is a good idea, we don't have time to form one. For the present, we're stuck with what we have, and all we can do is try to make the best of it.

[ojo de aguila]

I agree one huge lobby group would likely have more effect, but we're at least 25 years too late. However not supporting any of the big ones because you think they're ineffective isn't the answer. Lot's of owners have been through the letter wars since the 70's, but these groups have been the only ones actually in court fighting for your rights. If you can afford ammo you can cough up at least a couple c notes a year to delay any stupid bans or restrictions. The government is just about there for the total win, don't make it quicker and easier for them.

[CoonT]

I don't think you can get big enough in scope, to encompass (and retain) all of Canadian gun owners. You'll fix the fighting in Ireland before you ever put an end to it here. It's 'The company you keep', right? And there are many groups of gun owners that don't want to be associated with some of the others. For example, the clay shooting fudd that works at CBC, doesn't want to be associated with the role player riding around on his lawnmower in full kit with 4 rifles slung on his back. And vice versa.

I think you need to get smaller (ie. more refined). Distill firearms ownership down to it's essence, and then build your organization up from it. ie. strip away the jobs, personas, lifestyles, culture ect. At what point do all these firearm owners intersect? What do they all agree on, and how far back do you have to go to find that point?


A gun rights org has to be PRO gun control. We practice gun control every single day, and we would even if there weren't any laws.

-Gun control is ACTS and PROVE.
-Gun control is making sure my 3 year-old can't get his mitts on one.
-Gun control is not letting teenagers who have never even held a firearm outside of a video game, go and "freely" pick one up at Walmart.

Don't be a knucklehead like so many others in this community, and let the confusion and word games of the gun-grabbers, stand. Firearms prohibition is agenda driven. Sensible firearms distribution and practice, is evolutionary and basic common sense. If you aren't on board with this reality, then don't bother going any further.
Canadian gun owners need to regain control of the legislation that affects them. They will never do this, by denying it's existence. Any guy that doesn't understand this, it's because he's not smart enough. Sorry to say, fact is a fact.


The tyranny of malicious firearm restrictions and prohibitions are symptoms of higher-order societal problems. I don't think you're likely to solve the problem of gun control at the level of gun control. Build a freedom ship big enough and accommodating enough, so that many other freedom-loving Canadians will be wanting to join.

Freedom to own pitbulls
Freedom to honk a truck horn
Freedom to not get forced into lethal medical experiments
Freedom to play bum darts
Freedom to... well you get the idea.


Not everybody loves the idea of liberty. Why the libertarians are stuck forever in the mud, is because they don't have a plan for all the people who don't want liberty. The libertarian party forcing liberty and freedom on people who don't want it, is no different than the socialist commie progressive scum left that are forcing their terrible ideology on us at the moment.


/\ Point I think I'm trying to make, is in this game you'll need to take your enemy into consideration. That's the only way you'll win. How do you structure a firearms rights movement, that allows me to shoot my new mp5 in my back field, but the old biddies and gun grabbing Karens don't really have a problem with.


Just my 0.02

[tj black]

Good idea, I was just thinking the same thing and wondering why we dont have our own NRA version. Another idea I was thinking was issued membership cards used at retailers. Good for discounts but also a 1 or 2 dollars that go directly to the org. with each purchase.

[CoonT]

This real push for gun control is because the Canadian government is racist, and they don't want all the new immigrants they're bringing in, to have access to firearms. This gun ban is really about stopping these masses of new Canadians, from adopting one of our oldest western traditions.


The new front to this fight, is saving these new Canadians from being preemptively robbed by our government, of their most precious of western freedoms.

[BattleRife]

I don't think one, big organization would be better.

The fight against gun control is fought on three fronts: public opinion, parliament hill, and in the courts.

I would rather see multiple organizations, each specializing on one front.

[CoonT]

I don't think one, big organization would be better.

The fight against gun control is fought on three fronts: public opinion, parliament hill, and in the courts.

I would rather see multiple organizations, each specializing on one front.

But they need to coordinate and work together. It's like the difference between an army and a rabble.


They all need to have either:


the same message, nice and simple like 'Allah Akbar'. I'm not kidding. Or like the Jehovahs witnesses. Anywhere in the world you can find one's that have never met or talked, but they're all saying exactly the same damn thing.

1.directive inherent messaging




Or,

They all need a leader or governing body to direct them. This is tricky because any fair process inevitably ends up corrupted; and right-leaning folks have a tendency to eat their own leadership.

1.Leadership by algorithm????????

[polskiogorki]

Out of all the groups I think ccfr has been the most vocal and have tried the hardest they are the only ones I will support.
If one big org is created and is run by the head of any of the other groups I would not support it.

[CoonT]

Gun owners were too cheap to properly fund and support the CCFR, who were then reduced to go groveling to the CPC for chair time... which is how they ended up in the CPC's pocket and remained silent over OToole's backstab.

CCFR are still the best by far; but not even they can compensate for a country full of guys that just don't give a damn. Must have been frustrating being Tracy these last couple years. I'm surprised she didn't just up and quit and tell Canadian gun owners to F right off.