Semi auto .22Lr advice

WafflesOverPancakes said:

Seeing a bunch of people recommending 10/22, the reason I took that off the table is because looking around it seems like I can get an A22 for cheaper, and it's better out of the box from what I've seen. I just don't have the money right now to spend on customizing the 10/22. Just a university student getting into the sport so I'd rather spend the money on actually shooting.

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Why is it assumed it has to be customized? It doesn't, if you are just starting out. It runs fine out of the box for guys like me who aren't into customizations. I have used it stock for almost 20 years. Don't need it match grade for just shooting paper targets.

I bought my A22 brand new, and within 10 shots, something went awry with the firing pin (using plain old factory Blazers). Sent it back to Savage, and they replaced the entire bolt assembly.

The TM22 works just nice. There was good deals to be had on IRUNGUNS lately too.

The Savage has a "blade" trigger which some folks isn't very fond off. But they are available in classic and modern stock design. The TM22 is not.

The few stock 10/22s I've shoot over the last decades didn't leave me impressed to colour it mildly. They are gone with the wind...

I have an A22 and a Marlin 795. Both with red dots and 25 round mags. Both only used for 25 to 100 yard steel ringing. Never shot a TM22. Limited experience with the 10/22. I had a 597 that I bought new...it never ran right no matter what ammo, mag or upgrades it had...sold it for pennies as a fixxer upper. I don't have a 10/22 because of the 10 round mag limit.

I like my A22 with a cheap red dot and a 25 round butler creek mag. I could do without the blade trigger but it is not a deal breaker. The accuracy, even with the cheapest bulk ammo, is very impressive. For 350$ for the entry level version (which is what I have) it is a great bargain and I would recommend it to anyone as an option. It was impossible for me to shoot it with open sights as I couldn't get my cheek weld low enough without having to contort my neck like a troll with spinal spasms. Overall fit and finish is wonderful. Smooth action. Bit of a pain to field strip but not a deal breaker. 2000 rounds in so far...no issues. No plans to sell it.

Marlin 795 - My overall favorite of all my 22 semi's. Bought it for 180$ back in the day and after about 15,000 rounds, it is still going strong. The only issue i've had is the typical cracking of the plastic trigger guard. It too is very accurate with bulk ammo. 25 round ProMag mags are also a huge bonus for plinking. It is very light...lighter than the savage which may or may not matter depending on what you are doing but after a 500 round session of off hand steel ringing, it matters. Shame they are no longer in production but if you can find one for 250 or 300$, i would get it. The only downfall would be the fit and finish...it looks cheap, the machining inside the receiver is kinda rough and the plastic trigger guard is prone to breaking by the action screw(s). It is by no means refined but it works very well. My 10 and 12 year old nephews love shooting it. If they ever start producing them again, I am for sure getting a new one.

I am currently building a custom highish end 10/22 (TUF-22 receiver) because I am tired of being a basic bit#h and i am a sucker for 25 round mags.

Army2006 said:

Marlin 795.

Totally underrated, economical, and reliable choice.

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Only to be outdone by the Marlin 60 SS

stewbud said:

This!

"The 10/22 showed up in 1964. Over 56 years, more than 7 million 10/22 rifles have been sold, and that number continues to grow."

Tough to beat the little Ruger rifle.

They are endlessly customizable, reliable and affordable.


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Same goes for the Savage (Cooey)64, Canadian made, less expensive than they should be, all steel receiver, built by the millions. Generally more reliable than the 10-22... No need to buy a thousand dollars worth of accessories to completely rebuild it to get it to shoot.

I put an aftermarket folding stock on mine; rifle, stock, sights, <$350 before tax. Lots of fun. B22 = lots of plastic. Most reviews I have see by people without a "vested interest" in the rifles were good, but not stellar.

WafflesOverPancakes said:

Seeing a bunch of people recommending 10/22, the reason I took that off the table is because looking around it seems like I can get an A22 for cheaper, and it's better out of the box from what I've seen. I just don't have the money right now to spend on customizing the 10/22. Just a university student getting into the sport so I'd rather spend the money on actually shooting.

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I suspect that you do not realize that - once a firearm is updated, or renewed, or discontinued - parts availability is often a problem, and even ten years after a firearm is manufactured there may be zero parts support for it, from anyone, including the firearm manufacturer. Proven designs with millions of users tend to be supported, but less-successful designs are made obsolete, and often before the original owner could have ever imagined. For example... which Canadian retailers have in stock (Savage) factory magazines for your A22? Which Canadian retailers have in stock a firing pin for your A22? Which Canadian retailers have in stock a recoil spring assembly for your A22? Which Canadian retailers have in stock a bolt for your A22? I know what I want. Like the above posters, I'll take the proven platform with the tonne of available parts (over something relatively new and unproven) any day of the week.

Is that what you want? All that matters is what you want.

WafflesOverPancakes said:

I've narrowed my choice down to a Derya tm22 or a savage a22, as from my understanding they're pretty accurate out of the box and affordable. Thoughts, going to be shooting this gun a ton.

See lots of people recommending a 10/22. From what I've seen around online, the A22 is cheaper, and also shoots better out of the box. I don't have the money to customize a 10/22 atm as I'd rather spend it actually shooting just getting into the sport. Hard to find decent places to shoot for cheap living in toronto so have to budget for that.

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why are you stuck on having a semi-auto? good for rapid shots, but no advantage for training proper form and accuracy

trebor2880 said:

Only to be outdone by the Marlin 60 SS

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Tube mags can kiss my ass. Lol

I do like my Savage 87D though...

boxhitch said:

why are you stuck on having a semi-auto? good for rapid shots, but no advantage for training proper form and accuracy

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No advantage? I'd say not having to manually cycle an action, allowing the shooter to stay in position and on target has its advantages.

boxhitch said:

why are you stuck on having a semi-auto? good for rapid shots, but no advantage for training proper form and accuracy

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Shooting fundamentals are the same no matter the action. Actually semi you got the cycling of the bolt, so that takes a bit to master. So there is still training to be had. So it isn't like they are trying to snipe 1000 yards with a 12ga and bird shot. As for Accuracy, some are just as accurate as a bolt. Plus just because its an semi, doesn't mean that you have to shoot them rapid fire.

22's are like Lays, you cannot have just one. I'm sure they will get more and more.

I bought a used 10/22 in 1974, I have shot many tens of thousands of rounds through it with never any problem. It's still plenty accurate to take care of any pests.

I have an A22 and 2 x ruger 10/22's (takedown and one in a troy chassis) The pros for the A22 is that it can run the 25 round mags as previously stated, and also that you can remove the bolt without having to remove the whole receiver from the stock. That being said the plastic cap can be a PITA to remove and place back on sometimes as you have to line the pin back up. Best reference would be kinda like how the cover removes from an AK or a type 81 where you have to push the button in.

Another issue with mine is that I've haven't seen with the rugers (that have a much higher round count) is that on the A22 is that a noticable dent on the chamber face has become obvious from the firing pin striking it..... might just be my gun. It should be noted that the Rugers have also been "dryfired" much more then the A22 ever had been. Dry firing isn't the best for any rimfire, but the A22 doesn't seem to like it very much.
I will also make a point of saying that I do not dry fire my guns on purpose and that sometimes i lose count of the rounds left in the magazine and pull the trigger on an empty chamber sometimes. My rugers have had thousands of rounds through each and neither show any chamber or firing pin marks. Just something to keep in mind.

I had one issue with the ruger not ejecting cases and stovepiping - I just needed to file / smooth the extractor claw and that solved that issue.

If I had to choose I would pick up a Ruger 10/22.... it is a more solid gun then the A22 in my opinion.

I have a stainless 10/22 bought used from Reliable for $395. Heck of a fun little rifle, and I picked it from among the many which pop up at Reliable because it has a stainless Butler Creek folding stock, making it much more handy for stowing in a pack, and still comfortable for shooting (though some don't like 'wire' folding stocks).



You may as well keep an eye on Reliable's used rifles page, as amazing deals pop up fairly regularly. Right now they've got a few listings, from a synthetic stocked stainless for $395 to a rather fine looking wooden target stocked one for $995. Or maybe there's a similar shop where you live.

https://www.reliablegun.com/en/used...Size=96&viewMode=grid&orderBy=15&pageNumber=1

As for the Derya, it's still relatively new on the market and not a whole lot to be found about reliability. But a good friend bought one for his son, and both the boy and the dad (and a few friends) all LOVE shooting that thing. Here's a sale on them from another site sponsor:

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As for spending a lot on improving a 10/22, I wouldn't bother initially. But hunting for Youtube tutorials on polishing certain parts and other DIY tweaks can really improve reliability. For mine, I 'ramped' the bottom back corner of the bolt to ease contact with the hammer, reducing friction between the parts a lot and eliminating stovepiping. Polishing trigger and sear (carefully!) improved the trigger a lot. Nothing much involved cost-wise there, just need to have a few grades of fine sandpaper - going to maybe 1000 grit, finer if you like - and some green polishing compound on a leather strop to finish the job. Making all the parts which rub against other parts smoother makes for a more reliable mechanism. This was especially important for me as I like CCI SV in all my .22lr rifles, so I adjust them until that round chambers and clears reliably. Not interested in hyper-velocity stuff, which admittedly cycles these actions more reliably, but is just more power than I want for plinking. The SV stuff is economical and always available, and decently accurate to boot. So for example with my GSG-16, I put in lighter springs, as it was plainly designed to cycle well with hotter cartridges and often jammed up with CCI SV.

Suther said:

Tube mags can kiss my ass. Lol

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Road hunter, eh?

Was watching one of the latest videos from 3 of 7 Project. Chadd mentioned his most reliable gun that he has owned is his Ruger 10/22. He said it has been cleaned once in 20 years, and it was inadvertently left / lost outside in the woods for about a year. Exposed to the elements for a year. He found it and shot it and it shot totally fine. That's a pretty great testimony on the gun's long term durability.

I like the Derya TM22

I have a TM 22 and love it after i got it properly setup. Really Depends on preference, they don't have iron sights so keep that in mind for extra cost. They also don't like certain ammos from what I've tested, Basically ended up with sticking to CCI Minimags. A wildcat is a good cheaper alternative and has iron sights, that does not care for what brand of ammo you use in it and just as accurate.