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Thread: SHOT SHOW 2010 - ISSC MSR MK22 - SCAR 16 look-alike .22 LR

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESQ View Post
    There is a very good chance that they will prohib it. They prohib'd the GSG5 and the Mk22 is basically a GSG in a Scar-like shell. And yes, the GSG5 was completely prohib'd on looks, just the like SIG522.
    MP5 prohib = GSG prohib
    Sig 552 prohib = Sig 522 prohib

    SCAR is non restricted if the barrel is over 18". You can get an export from the DofS but there's no issue with them here.

    There is no reason other than RCMP whimsy that the SCAR 22 should be prohib.
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    Quote Originally Posted by incorrigible View Post
    MP5 prohib = GSG prohib
    Sig 552 prohib = Sig 522 prohib

    SCAR is non restricted if the barrel is over 18". You can get an export from the DofS but there's no issue with them here.

    There is no reason other than RCMP whimsy that the SCAR 22 should be prohib.
    You aren't following.

    The ISSC Mk22 is built on the guts of the GSG5. Look at the shot show thread. Soooo if the RCMP wants to prohibit it with its own twisted, circular logic, then it can.

    Nevermind that there was no basis to prohibit the GSG5 upon, nor was there a basis to prohibit the SIG522. They did anyway. The GSG5 and the MP5 have no operational similarity other than looks just as the SIG522 has no operational similarity with the SG55X rifle series. Pure RCMP bull####.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ESQ View Post
    You aren't following.

    The ISSC Mk22 is built on the guts of the GSG5. Look at the shot show thread. Soooo if the RCMP wants to prohibit it with its own twisted, circular logic, then it can.

    Nevermind that there was no basis to prohibit the GSG5 upon, nor was there a basis to prohibit the SIG522. They did anyway. The GSG5 and the MP5 have no operational similarity other than looks just as the SIG522 has no operational similarity with the SG55X rifle series. Pure RCMP bulls**t.

    are you serious? the GSG looks like a MP5. sold as a copy of a MP5. they don't give a sh!t what is in it, they just stretch the VARIANT clause. prohib!

    the SIG522 looks like a SIG55X gun and the ads from Sig say that it is a 55X gun. easy prohib.

    where is the SCAR semiauto prohib? it isn't. restricted by barrel length or not restricted by barrel length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P0WERWAGON View Post
    are you serious? the GSG looks like a MP5. sold as a copy of a MP5. they don't give a sh!t what is in it, they just stretch the VARIANT clause. prohib!

    the SIG522 looks like a SIG55X gun and the ads from Sig say that it is a 55X gun. easy prohib.

    where is the SCAR semiauto prohib? it isn't. restricted by barrel length or not restricted by barrel length.
    The definition of variant is the problem here. My understanding of a variant is that it must be a direct adaptation of the action. But that is just me and no definition yet exists.

    You are right, the RCMP do something completely different (when and where it suits them). The RCMP simply choose advertising literature or an outward similarity in appearance in order to make their flawed decisions.

    There is no way that a rational person would consider either the GSG5 nor the SIG522 (both simple blow back rim fire actions) to be the 'variants' of a delayed roller blowback system or a rotating bolt gas operated system, respectively. No matter what cosmetics or clothes that they wear.

    Another nitpick, the 522 is a SIG522 and the SG55X is SG for Sturmgewehr, not SIG. So I'm not sure that the SIG522 as an extension of the SG55X series argument can even be made without a lot of hand wringing and allusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ESQ View Post
    The definition of variant is the problem here. My understanding of a variant is that it must be a direct adaptation of the action. But that is just me and no definition yet exists.

    You are right, the RCMP do something completely different (when and where it suits them). The RCMP simply choose advertising literature or an outward similarity in appearance in order to make their flawed decisions.

    There is no way that a rational person would consider either the GSG5 nor the SIG522 (both simple blow back rim fire actions) to be the 'variants' of a delayed roller blowback system or a rotating bolt gas operated system, respectively. No matter what cosmetics or clothes that they wear.

    Another nitpick, the 522 is a SIG522 and the SG55X is SG for Sturmgewehr, not SIG. So I'm not sure that the SIG522 as an extension of the SG55X series argument can even be made without a lot of hand wringing and allusion.
    You using limited logic. Mechanically they are not variants clearly, but they don't have to be. It simply has to look like it to be a deemed by a reasonable person to be. That's why airsoft, as replicas, are prohibited weapons by law.

    It has nothing to do with the innards be similiar or different. Its, in this case, how it looks. As the SCAR clone doesn't visually resemble a prohibited weapon there's no case to be reasonably made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ESQ View Post
    The definition of variant is the problem here. My understanding of a variant is that it must be a direct adaptation of the action. But that is just me and no definition yet exists.

    You are right, the RCMP do something completely different (when and where it suits them). The RCMP simply choose advertising literature or an outward similarity in appearance in order to make their flawed decisions.

    There is no way that a rational person would consider either the GSG5 nor the SIG522 (both simple blow back rim fire actions) to be the 'variants' of a delayed roller blowback system or a rotating bolt gas operated system, respectively. No matter what cosmetics or clothes that they wear.

    Another nitpick, the 522 is a SIG522 and the SG55X is SG for Sturmgewehr, not SIG. So I'm not sure that the SIG522 as an extension of the SG55X series argument can even be made without a lot of hand wringing and allusion.


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    Cool rifle....but if its .22lr, why does the bbl need to be 18" ? Can't rimfire have shorter bbl if it comes that way from factory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by incorrigible View Post
    You using limited logic. Mechanically they are not variants clearly, but they don't have to be. It simply has to look like it to be a deemed by a reasonable person to be. That's why airsoft, as replicas, are prohibited weapons by law.

    It has nothing to do with the innards be similiar or different. Its, in this case, how it looks. As the SCAR clone doesn't visually resemble a prohibited weapon there's no case to be reasonably made.
    A firearm is a mechanical device. You really believe that one firearm can be a variant of another and yet be mechanically completely different and derived from different actions? I don't buy it. It isn't reasonable.

    What is with all the facepalms bfiles???
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    you have rationalization skills, but the rcmp, cfo don't

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