Bad Year for the Edge

Jwirecom109

Jwirecom109

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Bad year for the Edge.

What kind of changes can we expect, because of the two suicides and now the recent gun trafficking changes laid against an employee and former employee.

I know because of the suicides I stopped going to the Edge and three other people on my block did as well. (2 of us were full time members and one was there at the time of the last death).

I always thought the edge was a nice place to shoot, and I am hoping that there will be some major changes to public walkins and the staff at the edge.

I had read the newspaper today and the owner explained some changes i was hoping that you would post them again and give us abit more detail. and tell us if there will be any changes to staffing, and the requirements.


I am hoping that my confidence will be restored at some point to again want to shoot there.

For now I have joined another club.
 
all these things were BEYOND THE CONTROL of the edge- as for the suicides, the parties involved could have just as easily tried to cross the deerfoot at night- with the same result- there have been similar incidents in edmonton and other places- as for the traffiking thing, jr does his level best to screen out the bad ones- HAVE YOU TRIED TO OBTAIN EMPLOYMENT THERE?- the application was enough to make me think twice about it , let alone the police check-
 
nothing is beyond the control of a company. Policies in place limit the amount people can do and can get away with. I am not saying that the Edge is at fault, i am just asking what is the Edge going to do in the future to curve these things from happening. I have met the owner several times while i was a member he seemed like a good guy and the company ran very well, but things come up that do stop people from doing business with them. They are accountable for what happens in their store, even if they didn't do it themselves. So i just wanted to see what the Edge will do to increase the safety and security of the members that are still there.
 
What the hell are you talking about??? Have you stopped driving on the Deerfoot too? Because I can guarantee you that people commit suicide on that road every single month if not more frequently... ;)

But seriously, I don't understand why are you worried about how some sad individual decided to kill himself and why would that affect whether or not you shoot at TSE... Maybe I'm missing something. :confused: Iv'e been a full member at TSE for almost 5 years and I have never felt unsafe shooting there.


Jwirecom109 said:
Bad year for the Edge.

What kind of changes can we expect, because of the two suicides and now the recent gun trafficking changes laid against an employee and former employee.

I know because of the suicides I stopped going to the Edge and three other people on my block did as well. (2 of us were full time members and one was there at the time of the last death).

I always thought the edge was a nice place to shoot, and I am hoping that there will be some major changes to public walkins and the staff at the edge.

I had read the newspaper today and the owner explained some changes i was hoping that you would post them again and give us abit more detail. and tell us if there will be any changes to staffing, and the requirements.


I am hoping that my confidence will be restored at some point to again want to shoot there.

For now I have joined another club.
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i come from a military background- if i give recruit a GRENADE, and show him HOW to use it, and he pulls the pin and drops the grenade and kills or wounds the whole squad, how is that MY FAULT? it's the same deal- you CANNOT control the actions of another individual EVERY SECOND-
 
So what your saying is you want counselors in every shooting station, asking questions before every shot. If someone does off themselves the TSE drove them to it?

Does your boss know everything you do in your off hours?

Give your head a shake, sell your firearms and join up with the liberals.
 
krausb said:
What the hell are you talking about??? Have you stopped driving on the Deerfoot too? Because I can guarantee you that people commit suicide on that road every single month if not more frequently... ;)

But seriously, I don't understand why are you worried about how some sad individual decided to kill himself and why would that affect whether or not you shoot at TSE... Maybe I'm missing something. :confused: Iv'e been a full member at TSE for almost 5 years and I have never felt unsafe shooting there.
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what only 5 years- you're still a newbie- my membership is in the low 60's
 
Again guys just asking what the Edge is going to do in the future to protect the members, and public. Safety and security, i am not saying anything bad about them.
I can stop my membership for my own reasons, my safety and security is very important, and if i feel it is at risk i will do something about it, thus leaving the edge. Not telling anyone else to do it, just asking what the edge is doing in the future, please read the post guys ;)
 
t-star said:
what only 5 years- you're still a newbie- my membership is in the low 60's
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I know... :redface: They haven't even shown me the secret handshake yet and I still have to bow when a senior member enters the range... I'll just wait it out and soon enough I will be one of you...
 
I am not looking to suggest anything to the Edge, JR is great business owner and the edge runs its store very well, and i am sure they will come up with some great ideas to increase security. All I am asking is for them to tell us what they are. I don't expect an answer today, this week, but maybe something needs to be done, to increase security and safety.

I have nothing against the Edge or JR. I don't go there anymore for my own reasons.
Hell maybe with some changes can bring back some of their customers, like myself that decided to leave.
 
You are actually the only person that I have heard of that has let these unfortunate occurrences change his mind about membership. I'm not saying that you are alone; just saying that I don't think too many members dropped out because of this...
 
Sounds like you do have something against the "Edge" and that something drove you away to a different range...

What is different at the other range?

No Walk in's?
 
Can-down said:
Sounds like you do have something against the "Edge" and that something drove you away to a different range...

What is different at the other range?

No Walk in's?
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Firstly I just don't shoot there, i still do business there.
I have recently (within the last couple months) taken my gun to them for work.
and i have also bought many accessories from them.
I just never like shooting with the public, i have seen alot of "new" shooters do things that are questionable there that i do not want to be apart of.
And not always on the range, but when u get a group of 10-15 people all new shooters in there acting like dumbasses cause they are going to shoot some guys kinda leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I will still do business with them, i just will not shoot with them. I may in the future if i feel comfortable with the range again.

and the only two things that are different with the other range, which if u noticed i have not mentioned because i do respect that this is the TSE's forum. is that 1 no walkins (major thing) and 2 (very minor thing since i only own one) u can shoot mil surp.
 
Jwirecom109 said:
nothing is beyond the control of a company. Policies in place limit the amount people can do and can get away with. I am not saying that the Edge is at fault, i am just asking what is the Edge going to do in the future to curve these things from happening. I have met the owner several times while i was a member he seemed like a good guy and the company ran very well, but things come up that do stop people from doing business with them. They are accountable for what happens in their store, even if they didn't do it themselves. So i just wanted to see what the Edge will do to increase the safety and security of the members that are still there.
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I agree with you 100%

I also agree with others that criticise on how things were done here in the past.

However, the changes that have been made in the past 6 months are enormous! For those that do not know, I bought out my partner and in doing so, I was freed to make all of the changes I wanted without opposition. Seeing is believing, so come by for a visit.

Major changes:

RO Training: Previously our Range Officers really got very little training. Now we have a “Chief Range Officer” which not only runs an RO training course and mentorship program for all staff, but helps oversee safety issues on a continuous basis.

Rules and Regulations: We have better marked and signed the facility.

Range briefings: We have codified our range briefings and have regular monitoring to ensure all the ROS are properly following the safest practices.

Suicide Prevention: Yes, there have been two suicides here. To help combat this we have run “Suicide Awareness” training for all of our staff. We also have implemented a policy where we do not let UNLICENSED individuals come in to shoot by themselves. They have to bring a buddy! Simply put; friends don’t bring friends to shoot them selves. This may not be a foolproof policy, but I think it is a very good step in the right direction.

Also, our dramatically increased RO training helps as there is a far reduced opportunity as the RO is right there and knows what to look for.

Cleanliness: The ranges have seen significant upgrades in lighting, target retrieval systems, shelving and soon; ventilation. From a safety perspective, things have never been brighter and better.

Facility upgrades: I have always wanted TSE to be the jewel range of Western Canada. When I bought Target Sports, I made a number of key changes and rebuilt the facility to the standards that I always wished TSE would have. Immediately after I became sole owner of TSE, I started making the same changes and policy implementations to meet the standards I believed we should be achieving. Most of the changes are now complete and I am very happy with the changes. Again, please come by or check out our FACEBOOK page as there are plenty of photos on FACEBOOK.

Inventory controls: While I am not going to go into detail on a public forum, I will tell you that there have been SIGNIFICANT changes in how we track and count for our inventory since I became the sole owner. Our last 100% inventory check was only 6 weeks ago and all issues we dutifully reported to the police. Most issues in general were administrative as well. Today we have closed our doors to conduct another one just to ensure that none of the firearms paraded last week by the police actually came form us without our knowledge.

I want to state publicly that the CFO’s office has been extremely helpful and respectful throughout all of our ordeals.

Yes, it’s been a tough year, but my staff and I are only going to be stronger because of it. With every step back, we have stopped, assessed and taken two steps forward.

Yes, anyone is free to join or not join any club they choose, but I challenge you to find a club that is more committed to safety and fun then us.

We are leaders, not followers!

With this comes the risk of sometimes everything not going our way. I accept this. However in saying this, if anyone has reasonable suggestions, I am all ears. Many of the fundamental changes we have made here are due to suggestions from our membership.

Sincerely,

JR
 
Thanks JR for that.
Sounds like you have made alot of changes to the way your range operates since the last time I have shot there.
I wish you luck and good business.
 
Jwirecom109 said:
Thanks JR for that.
Sounds like you have made alot of changes to the way your range operates since the last time I have shot there.
I wish you luck and good business.
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We have. Not just in policies, but the whole corporate culture here is different.

I invite you to come by on Sunday, July 25th after 6pm for our annual post-stampede BBQ for a Burger and a look around.

JR
 
TSE JR said:
We have. Not just in policies, but the whole corporate culture here is different.

I invite you to come by on Sunday, July 25th after 6pm for our annual post-stampede BBQ for a Burger and a look around.

JR
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I like that. Corporate culture, you don't hear it enough.
I'll take you up on that offer if i am in town JR.
Thanks again
 
TSE JR said:
I agree with you 100%

I also agree with others that criticise on how things were done here in the past.

However, the changes that have been made in the past 6 months are enormous! For those that do not know, I bought out my partner and in doing so, I was freed to make all of the changes I wanted without opposition. Seeing is believing, so come by for a visit.

Major changes:

RO Training: Previously our Range Officers really got very little training. Now we have a “Chief Range Officer” which not only runs an RO training course and mentorship program for all staff, but helps oversee safety issues on a continuous basis.

Rules and Regulations: We have better marked and signed the facility.

Range briefings: We have codified our range briefings and have regular monitoring to ensure all the ROS are properly following the safest practices.

Suicide Prevention: Yes, there have been two suicides here. To help combat this we have run “Suicide Awareness” training for all of our staff. We also have implemented a policy where we do not let UNLICENSED individuals come in to shoot by themselves. They have to bring a buddy! Simply put; friends don’t bring friends to shoot them selves. This may not be a foolproof policy, but I think it is a very good step in the right direction.

Also, our dramatically increased RO training helps as there is a far reduced opportunity as the RO is right there and knows what to look for.

Cleanliness: The ranges have seen significant upgrades in lighting, target retrieval systems, shelving and soon; ventilation. From a safety perspective, things have never been brighter and better.

Facility upgrades: I have always wanted TSE to be the jewel range of Western Canada. When I bought Target Sports, I made a number of key changes and rebuilt the facility to the standards that I always wished TSE would have. Immediately after I became sole owner of TSE, I started making the same changes and policy implementations to meet the standards I believed we should be achieving. Most of the changes are now complete and I am very happy with the changes. Again, please come by or check out our FACEBOOK page as there are plenty of photos on FACEBOOK.

Inventory controls: While I am not going to go into detail on a public forum, I will tell you that there have been SIGNIFICANT changes in how we track and count for our inventory since I became the sole owner. Our last 100% inventory check was only 6 weeks ago and all issues we dutifully reported to the police. Most issues in general were administrative as well. Today we have closed our doors to conduct another one just to ensure that none of the firearms paraded last week by the police actually came form us without our knowledge.

I want to state publicly that the CFO’s office has been extremely helpful and respectful throughout all of our ordeals.

Yes, it’s been a tough year, but my staff and I are only going to be stronger because of it. With every step back, we have stopped, assessed and taken two steps forward.

Yes, anyone is free to join or not join any club they choose, but I challenge you to find a club that is more committed to safety and fun then us.

We are leaders, not followers!

With this comes the risk of sometimes everything not going our way. I accept this. However in saying this, if anyone has reasonable suggestions, I am all ears. Many of the fundamental changes we have made here are due to suggestions from our membership.

Sincerely,

JR
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well said. I'd be a member if I lived out that way. we need more ranges like yours in Canada
 
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